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There is a line, we all make one, we all want some form of definitive we can indentify with and get comfy close to even if that blanket can never cover the feet and toes. So stop the fucking hedging and put something in here of substance.
I don't think we entirely disagree, Shane. As you say, each of us has a line about this or that subject. the patriotism thing, sexuality, income, class, etc.

Society's lines are the summation of all categories of boundaries which we impose on ourselves and inflict on others.

Thus, the boundaries that society produces, perhaps more accurately described as taboos or morals, are not thin, sharp lines. They are broad, convoluted and fuzzy. The more free the society, the fuzzier and more convoluted the boundaries. I think this lack of social clarity is what makes OT such a vital place. You get people whose apporach to life are as similarly unidimensional, while diametrically oppositional, as Tahloube and Feel The Love. Both are fanatical adherents to their belief systems and neither are tolerant of the beliefs of others.

Or we have the example of yourself. For some reason people seem to think it is important to mention your sexual preference in a consistently belittling way while they think they are being humorous and broad-minded. It reveals neither, IMO. But that's just based on the way I draw my own lines & taboos.

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Cynicism is the last refuge of the intellectually inept.

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Cynicism is the last refuge of the intellectually inept.
Nah, healthy cynicism is just one tool of the well armed intellectual. Or even well armed semi-intellectual.

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Nah, healthy cynicism is just one tool of the well armed intellectual. Or even well armed semi-intellectual.
I believe you confuse cynicism with skepticism. At least I hope you do.

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I believe you confuse cynicism with skepticism. At least I hope you do.

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I am well aware of the difference. Both are good tools, albeit useful in different circumstance.

There is nothing at all wrong with healthy cynicism. I believe once one moves to paranoia then there is an issue but there is a very reasonable gap between the two, just as there is a gap between skepticism and cynicism.

I tend to think of skepticism as the somewhat objective observation of a situation, tearing at the base facts and elements while cynicism is the more subjective observation, flavored with experience and history.

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I have been accused of both on this forum at one time or another. Not trying to please anyone here but there are those that stand solidly on one side of this issue or the other. I suggest the polars could be Jayhawk and Jim Smith. Both stand steadfast without any perceived compromise to the other side. What say you when something as important as national pride versus absolutely necessary democratic constructive criticism combat each other? Where do you draw the line and when does it appear the radicals have legitimate reason to spew their bile instead of step in line?
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