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4. We just don't have any evidence of anyone's liberties being infringed.


Open a bank account in another country and find out if your 4th amendment rights to be secure in your personal papers still applies.

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Another country?

The biggest problems we are facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all and thatís what I intend to reverse.

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So if your kid says "Dad can I have $200 for a new suit" I'm going to a wedding, funeral, orgy, etc. and you give him $200 and he says good I also have your VISA card. So when he returns and says Dad! I got a great deal on a very good suit and saved you $100. You say how? He says I paid $100 cash and put $300 on your VISA, here dad I saved you $100, Aren’t you happy?

Deficit spending is the most immoral activity a government can do, it is Taxation without representation, involuntary servitude, and if you don't understand the meaning of "involuntary servitude" it is commonly known as slavery.

So if you can screw the next generation into paying your bills this is okay?

Is this the libertarian view?


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I agree with you insofar as deficit spending accumulates debt if not paid down over time and, due to interest accumulation, grows to be a burden in the future. The morality of it I leave to you.

I think taxation, from the libertarian perspective should be fairly applied on an individual basis across the population. That's my view, anyway. I think Ron Paul argued for "Fair Tax", but I'm not certain. You could look it up. Or was that a rhetorical question?

Now tell me how Obama feels about government spending. I don't know.

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This isn't another country.

If you have had your half of a conversation tapped without a court-order, that is an infringement.
If you have had your credit history sniffed by law enforcement as part of Carnavore2 without a court-order, that is an infringement.
If you have been denied your constitutional rights, as a citizen by law enforcement, thats an infringement.
"Ifs" are hypotheticals and do not constitute infringements; only facts and cases may lead to such conclusions. Where are they?

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Gonzales, Mueller Admit FBI Broke Law

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Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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