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Yes, Iraq was going to rule the whole world. I was shaking in my boots. If Bush hadn't acted, we'd all be speakin' I-rack-ee by now. This was of course, all proven by the spectacular hour or so they managed to resist the initial invasion.

How 'bout some Hans Blix quotes?
Well, come up with some. You're not here to just eat peanuts, are you? Stretch your brain with a little activity.

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Well, come up with some. You're not here to just eat peanuts, are you? Stretch your brain with a little activity.
You expect a lot from a guy who wraps himself in Einstein's image.

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On the same day of the bombing (Dec 16, 1998), Clinton said, "The mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs, and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. The purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States and indeed the interests of the people throughout the Middle East and around the world. Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons."
You have taken vast liberties with Clinton's quote. The context of the quote is to justify the continued policy of containment. There was never a speech made about unilaterally invading Iraq as the policy of the US, by President Clinton. In fact, by all accounts the policy of containment was entirely effective and there never was a need for an invasion.

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Algore chimed in, "If you allow someone like Saddam to get nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with these weapons?....The man has no compunction about killing lots of people. So the US bombing is a way to save lives and to save the stability and peace of a region of the world that is important to the peace and security of the entire world."
See comment above. Al Gore clearly states the action he is justifying and why. Your citation here is a red herring.

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Senator Tom Daschle said in 1998 that a use of force resolution would "send as clear a message as possible that we are going to force, one way or another, diplomatically or militarily,Iraq to comply with international law. We have exhausted virtually our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so?....this is the key question. And the answer is we don't have another option. We have to force them to comply and we are doing so militarily."
Again, the use of force being discussed was the UN sanctioned bombing and policy of containment. Nothing about the events was unilateral, or involved sending US troops to Iraq. It was not deemed necessary because the policy of containment was working.

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These are direct quotes of speeches or public comments by leading Democrats from 1998 unfiltered by the "fawning media" which describe the government's policy re Iraq two years before President Bush took office. This is not backfill, just history.
Yes it is history. You apparently choose to ignore the part of history you plucked the statements from, thinking it made your point. Those quotes, in the context of the history they were taken from, prove the prior policy of containment was working, which does not support your contention that Saddam represented the imminent threat to the US and the free world Bush lied to us about in 2001 through 2008, to justify his decision to unilaterally, and without UN sanction, invade Iraq.

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Yes, Iraq was going to rule the whole world. I was shaking in my boots. If Bush hadn't acted, we'd all be speakin' I-rack-ee by now. This was of course, all proven by the spectacular hour or so they managed to resist the initial invasion.

How 'bout some Hans Blix quotes?
Too difficult to find a Hans Blix quote from the last 50 years to misconstrue, I guess. Jim
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Now let's see what our liberal friend, McBare, has taught us in his post.

He tries to discount the study by tying it to the NBER who published it. Nothing indicated they funded the study, however. Where's the proof?

Where does McBare get his info about NBER? From MediaSource, which is a WIKI!!!! We know how he hates any of us using a Wiki, such as Wikipedia to contradict him. Behind every double standard is an unconfessed single standard, McBare.

The study article has received praise from a non-involved colleague at Harvard who is an expert on violent events and the article has been submitted for publication by a peer-reviewed journal--the highest standard for research.

This study was carried out by folks working in and funded by liberal institutions and foundations that would have no vested interest in the outcome of the study, actually quite the opposite.

Clearly, anti-war rants embolden the enemy in Iraq.
Actually McBear got most of his information on MBER and the research document itself from the MBER website, including the CV of the two researchers. On researcher is a very interesting history. Most of her research is in Federal Indigent Defense System and Federal Domestic Violence Service Provision so this is a deviation from her work.

Monten, on the other hand has been working with the concept of Enboldenment for five years in his NeoConservative working papers. It is interesting that his study happened to fit his previous writings.

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So why do you consider MediaSource reliable? It is on the internet, you can't check the sources because the contributions come from everywhere and anyone. I was unsuccessful at searching for MediaSource on its page, so I would be suspect that it is funded by a Harvard liberal at the Kennedy School of Government. Who's really behind it?
Actually, MediaSource has nothing to do with Wiki, nor its it a non edited, not refereed accumulator [ which is why Wikipedia is never allowed as a source in academia]. MediaSource is a nice balance as they go after both liberal and conservative, rich and poor. Their "job" is simply to find the source of research funding. It does not matter the research or the source. They publish.

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Im surprised McBear still hasn't tried to rebut or disqualify your claims. Interesting.........
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By the way, for those who haven't actually READ any of the statements of Emboldenment, you might be surprised to find that news coverage of whenever Bush would comment that "we have 'em on the run" or Cheney would announce that the insurgency was "in it's death throes" that had the same uptick affect as when Hyde said "the Surge is Lost".

Puts a nice bipartisan spin on it, now doesn't it.

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By the way, for those who haven't actually READ any of the statements of Emboldenment, you might be surprised to find that news coverage of whenever Bush would comment that "we have 'em on the run" or Cheney would announce that the insurgency was "in it's death throes" that had the same uptick affect as when Hyde said "the Surge is Lost".

Puts a nice bipartisan spin on it, now doesn't it.

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