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I don't know, my mother in law doesn't have a computer. Besides she owes me lots of money.

Hey Ed, wheres yosey?
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Nor did you answer my first question. Why do you think we were created? Obviously you don't like my point of view. Can you please share yours with us? I, too, could use some enlightenment from your side.
I didn't say a thing about liking or disliking "your point of view" so why are you so defensive? I noticed that a lot of religious people of most faiths are defensive or am I imagining this?
As to your first question for why we were created I am more of the how we were created crowd. The only time I will worry about the reason for our creation is after we solve the question of how we were created. Let's baby step this shall we
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I didn't say a thing about liking or disliking "your point of view" so why are you so defensive? I noticed that a lot of religious people of most faiths are defensive or am I imagining this?
As to your first question for why we were created I am more of the how we were created crowd. The only time I will worry about the reason for our creation is after we solve the question of how we were created. Let's baby step this shall we
Really? I don't know.

Why don't we think in both directions? How and why. Let's not waste time on a question that humans spent centuries trying to answer. I don't want to sound pessimistic but .. without religion, man may never know.
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Really? I don't know.

Why don't we think in both directions? How and why. Let's not waste time on a question that humans spent centuries trying to answer. I don't want to sound pessimistic but .. without religion, man may never know.
How's religion going to give us the answer? Do you do drugs in Islam maybe that's the way to open the mind? I mean come on, any religion that claims that it is in written form is absolutely confined to what it claims are the writing of God. This means that if the answer is not in the Quran, the bible or the Torah or whatever book is out there then there is no answer unless such a religion allows the use of hallucinogenics so the mind can wander off in search of a deeply seeded and locked memory or revelation that would make the person feel like everything makes sense now
The alternative is study nature without the constraint of religion, observe the universe and test theories. Yes sometimes we have to play God with gene manipulation to understand life itself but guess how most religious people react to what I am saying?
Of course I can always wait for the mother ship.
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Misinterpretation has always existed and marred the image of religions. Worse than that, I believe, is change of holy books to suit someone's agenda. A religion is supposed to be from God to guide humans. When some humans play God and think they have a supremacy of some sort to change the word of God you know something big and dangerous is inevitably coming.

Muslims in general are not as bad as portrayed in the media. We didn't start World War I or II for example. We're as ordinary as other people; we have the good and the bad. A lot of Muslims don't follow Islam the way it should be and that's, in my humble opinion, the reason behind our major problems.
Oh I agree with you on this, I have three very Islamic friends and they do follow it very well to the point it (before I understood it) kinda blew me away when it was "Wait! stop! stop everything its time to pray!" and stop everything they were doing be it in the middle of a muddy ball game or whatever it was drop everything and and pray..... and now it's okeee I have no problem with that at all.

All three of them Hate Bin Laudin for the issues that his quest for long lasting fame has created for them....also privately 2 of them have told me that they feel certain leaders have gone too far beyond the teachings to retain control and to stay in the position of power that they curently hold.

They are very much good friends to me.... we share a good laught... and yes have a beer or two together, I keep all of their computers running and upgrade em and they are coming over this weekend to help me build the deck around the pool along with a few others that is... the only problem I have is when they start arguing with our Hindu bro about religon (he is from south india) and oh no! it gets way out of control where they actualy for real get mad at each other! and try to drag us of other points of views to thier sides...

(I just tell em that they are all full of shit then they forget each other and get mad at me instead) Then I walk away and tell em to go soak thier heads in the shitter..... Now they really get get yelling at me about how I'm gonna pay for it...........

But it works! I get to be the asshole... no really! thanks! what would you do without one? and the party go's on...............
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How's religion going to give us the answer? Do you do drugs in Islam maybe that's the way to open the mind? I mean come on, any religion that claims that it is in written form is absolutely confined to what it claims are the writing of God. This means that if the answer is not in the Quran, the bible or the Torah or whatever book is out there then there is no answer unless such a religion allows the use of hallucinogenics so the mind can wander off in search of a deeply seeded and locked memory or revelation that would make the person feel like everything makes sense now
The alternative is study nature without the constraint of religion, observe the universe and test theories. Yes sometimes we have to play God with gene manipulation to understand life itself but guess how most religious people react to what I am saying?
Of course I can always wait for the mother ship.

I don't know enough about other religions, so I'll base my arguement about Islam. We have the kind of information we call "gheibiyaat" which are things we've never grasped with our senses but God told us about. Like the existence of God, angels, jinn, etc. These are things we've never seen and would've never known about had God no told us about them. These are some answers to questions that spending decades in a lab will never provide an answer for.

In Isalm, we have guidelines in Quran and Prophet Muhammed's, peace be upon him, sunna from which we derive judgemnet on things that arise from the progression of science and civilisation. Isalm encourages man to think and reason within these guidelines. The Holy book becomes a guide not a restraint.

Experimenting with genes is science not playing God. Of course science should have ethics the source of which is Quran, not somebody's interests. People play God when they give themselves the right (which they don't have) to make laws above the laws that God put for them or when they change the script of a holy book by adding, deleting and altering things or by misinterpretation.

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PS No drugs in Islam, no alcohol, no narcotics of any sort. God gave us brains to use and a body not to destroy. In Quran, Khamr=alcoholic drinks are forbidden and Prophet Muhammed, peace be upon him, said all things that intoxicate are haram. That's one guideline within which Muslim scholars derived the hukm=judgement that opium, for example, is haram.

Am I right when I got the feeling that you don't believe in the existence of God altogether?
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Yeah I'm sure of it we all drink a beer here.... anybody that comes to my house has a beer (except me I prefer wine)..... I mean come on..... lets face it... this is the real world after a hard day of cramming on the books and working the PTJ or like me I'm full time.

We sit in the back yard and talk... about well you name it... whats the current thing? (and btw no where does it say in the bible or....now I could be wrong... Koraan that it is wrong or bad to have a glass of wine or beer there is a comment about over-indulgent however I have not seen one that says "you shall NOT have a beer" or glass of wine as a mather of fact that dude jesus use to drink wine and he made some!..........
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