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The Ravens hat gave it away,I knew one of you Baltimore boys would know.
Did you get a chance to hear or read Obama's speech?
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^^ Just bits and pieces,,,,,Why?
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^^ Just bits and pieces,,,,,Why?
Try to read it or listen to it carefully then tell me what your opinion is
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Your settin me up, aren't you. My opinion would be biased, I followed this thread all last night.
Besides, when I hear him speak all I can focus on is how 'well' he speaks.
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Your settin me up, aren't you. My opinion would be biased, I followed this thread all last night.
Besides, when I hear him speak all I can focus on is how 'well' he speaks.
Then try reading it. Not as a set up, just read it. The man has a good chance at being President of the United States and he made one of the most important speeches of the past 20 years. [the Bush speech after 9/11 was another, though not as articulate, it was very important].

While you will get more out of the message by listening or watching, reading it will provide you with valuable information in which to draw your own conclusions.

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^^ Got a link?
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First, your premise is specious at best, ludicrous at worst. It is NOT the EXACT SAME anything.

Regarding Phelps, his hatred against gays, the military and whatever is self generated from his abstract biblical interpretations, personal bigotry and I would suspect rampant incest.

Regarding Wright, while I have only heard the same snippets that most of us have heard my understanding is the basis of his speech is due to what he has seen happen to the black community over many decades. He has seen many of his congregation and community denied rights, provided lower standards and outright treated as second class citizens and that has been the genesis of his sermons.

Do I agree with his methods, NO. But then again, I have never been a black man in America who has been treated poorly, just for being black. I don't know how I would react if I were. I would imagine that white folk would be right uncomfortable with my speech if I had an opportunity to speak out.

No one on this forum can deny that they have seen racism in action. Whether it is "those black people that moved into the neighborhood - wonder if it will hurt property values?" or that slight tensing up as a group of black guys walk toward you on the sidewalk [never mind they are medical students at the university] or "that guy got the job because he was black".

I have joked in the past that to get a Federal grant I needed to find a partner that was a black, female, handicapped, lesbian veteran. Is that racist. Yeppers.

I look at a person from their entire body of thought. If I tied my own thoughts to that of my minister of a few years ago, I would have to acknowledge his Watergate past and somehow link that to my thoughts. If I tied my thoughts to that of my minister of my youth, I would expect women not to work, to follow behind their husbands and just raise children. I imagine most people are able to grow beyond that attachment to their minister, even though they seek counsel from them at times.

As for the Religious Left, yes, there is one. It is a very interesting and very diverse group of religions. They encompass much of the theological thought of the world. Some are extreme in their speech as they drill home their points, others more reserved, some say nothing as loud as thunder.

You should check into it sometime.
You forgot to answer my question...

What I would really like to know is who here would vote for a smooth-talking white man w/ the same exact relationship w/ the Rev. Fred Phelps and his Westboro Babtist Church? It is the exact same situation as Obambi, just the Religious Right instead of the Religious Left.

Please speak up, if you have the guts! I'd like to hear from everyone here about that question...

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Try to read it or listen to it carefully then tell me what your opinion is
I listened to it live and I would still like someone here--who isn't a total hipocrit--to answer my question:

...who here would vote for a smooth-talking white man w/ the same exact relationship w/ the Rev. Fred Phelps and his Westboro Babtist Church? It is the exact same situation as Obambi, just the Religious Right instead of the Religious Left.

Please speak up, if you have the guts! I'd like to hear from everyone here about that question...

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^^ Got a link?
Don't bother! The guy is a total fraud, and only the Religious Leftwing kookbergers here think he has anything to say. They are afraid or unwilling to answer the question I have asked:

...who here would vote for a smooth-talking white man w/ the same exact relationship w/ the Rev. Fred Phelps and his Westboro Babtist Church? It is the exact same situation as Obambi, just the Religious Right instead of the Religious Left.

Please speak up, if you have the guts! I'd like to hear from everyone here about that question...

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