What I would really like to know is who here would vote for a smooth-talking white man w/ the same exact relationship w/ the Rev. Fred Phelps and his Westboro Babtist Church? It is the exact same situation as Obambi, just the Religious Right instead of the Religious Left.
Please speak up, if you have the guts! I'd like to hear from everyone here about that question...
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This thread has been all over the place, but still NONE of you Obama supporters has shown anything that he has done in the past that supports your position that he has done something positive, or for that matter anything at all that he has done to make him a reasonable choice for POTUS.
OK, he makes a good, or even a great speech, so what, show me something he has actually done to warrant your support.
This thread has been all over the place, but still NONE of you Obama supporters has shown anything that he has done in the past that supports your position that he has done something positive, or for that matter anything at all that he has done to make him a reasonable choice for POTUS.
OK, he makes a good, or even a great speech, so what, show me something he has actually done to warrant your support.
Besides the above mentioned, let me ask you something
When a child or a person troubled and riddled with the life's daily stresses is told "Keep Hope Alive" or "You can Change the world around you" than become a success story, do you think they attack the messenger by asking "What makes you qualified to tell me I can change this shitty ass position I'm going through?"
NO, they listen and take action, because like I said and will LIVE and DIE by is that, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN CHANGE SOMETHING THEN YOU WILL. If you are going through hard times and retain hope of change, then you will do so. Lets face it, its the same thing with what Obama is saying. He has said over and over again, that WE as a nation need to come together and make change and thats the point, you obviously are missing.
Your so stuck on stupid about his lacking a perfect track record that you forgot you where in control of the change you desperately need, and if your not effected by how WE are living here in America then frankly your not living in America. Stop the bullshit, fix your face and come to grips that your attacks are on the man's record and you couldn't even address the issues. If you choose to debate the subject then please, LET US KNOW HOW YOU CHOOSE TO MOTIVATE A NATION IN DISTRESS. HOW WOULD YOU TELL MILLIONS OF DEPRESSED AMERICANS HOPE AND CHANGE STARTS WITH YOU. By saying OH LOOK AT MY TRACK RECORD. Because I tell you what, I will say FUCK YOU AND YOUR TRACK RECORD, and ASK WHAT IS IT "I" CAN DO TO CHANGE "MY" SITUATION.
We do allot of shit to change how we feel from, drugs to drinking, so if Obama comes in and "HELPS" millions of people feel like they can take change back in there hands, and brings the hope right to their door step do you really even care where that hope is coming from. Isn't it enough to feel empowered on your own and to want to do something. Change doesn't start with the next president it starts with you.
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What I would really like to know is who here would vote for a smooth-talking white man w/ the same exact relationship w/ the Rev. Fred Phelps and his Westboro Babtist Church? It is the exact same situation as Obambi, just the Religious Right instead of the Religious Left.
Please speak up, if you have the guts! I'd like to hear from everyone here about that question...
First, your premise is specious at best, ludicrous at worst. It is NOT the EXACT SAME anything.
Regarding Phelps, his hatred against gays, the military and whatever is self generated from his abstract biblical interpretations, personal bigotry and I would suspect rampant incest.
Regarding Wright, while I have only heard the same snippets that most of us have heard my understanding is the basis of his speech is due to what he has seen happen to the black community over many decades. He has seen many of his congregation and community denied rights, provided lower standards and outright treated as second class citizens and that has been the genesis of his sermons.
Do I agree with his methods, NO. But then again, I have never been a black man in America who has been treated poorly, just for being black. I don't know how I would react if I were. I would imagine that white folk would be right uncomfortable with my speech if I had an opportunity to speak out.
No one on this forum can deny that they have seen racism in action. Whether it is "those black people that moved into the neighborhood - wonder if it will hurt property values?" or that slight tensing up as a group of black guys walk toward you on the sidewalk [never mind they are medical students at the university] or "that guy got the job because he was black".
I have joked in the past that to get a Federal grant I needed to find a partner that was a black, female, handicapped, lesbian veteran. Is that racist. Yeppers.
I look at a person from their entire body of thought. If I tied my own thoughts to that of my minister of a few years ago, I would have to acknowledge his Watergate past and somehow link that to my thoughts. If I tied my thoughts to that of my minister of my youth, I would expect women not to work, to follow behind their husbands and just raise children. I imagine most people are able to grow beyond that attachment to their minister, even though they seek counsel from them at times.
As for the Religious Left, yes, there is one. It is a very interesting and very diverse group of religions. They encompass much of the theological thought of the world. Some are extreme in their speech as they drill home their points, others more reserved, some say nothing as loud as thunder.
This thread has been all over the place, but still NONE of you Obama supporters has shown anything that he has done in the past that supports your position that he has done something positive, or for that matter anything at all that he has done to make him a reasonable choice for POTUS.
OK, he makes a good, or even a great speech, so what, show me something he has actually done to warrant your support.
Anything in Illinois? Anything anywhere?
You don't need to understand it Bruce. Just vote for your guy and others will do the same. And his oratory skills go beyond speeches. The man is a gifted communicator, and that is no small thing. The lack of communication skills on the part the current resident of the WH should have been enough to keep him in the private sector, IMHO. Obama is a far cry from my first choice, but of the folks still standing, he is by far the best choice, not as much for what he has done, but rather what he hasn't.
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Besides the above mentioned, let me ask you something
When a child or a person troubled and riddled with the life's daily stresses is told "Keep Hope Alive" or "You can Change the world around you" than become a success story, do you think they attack the messenger by asking "What makes you qualified to tell me I can change this shitty ass position I'm going through?"
NO, they listen and take action, because like I said and will LIVE and DIE by is that, IF YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN CHANGE SOMETHING THEN YOU WILL. If you are going through hard times and retain hope of change, then you will do so. Lets face it, its the same thing with what Obama is saying. He has said over and over again, that WE as a nation need to come together and make change and thats the point, you obviously are missing.
Sorry bud, I'm not missing anything. I asked a question and I expect to get an answer from somebody. I haven't seen anyone try yet. I'll read what you have attached and see what I make of it.
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Your so stuck on stupid about his lacking a perfect track record that you forgot you where in control of the change you desperately need, and if your not effected by how WE are living here in America then frankly your not living in America. Stop the bullshit, fix your face and come to grips that your attacks are on the man's record and you couldn't even address the issues.
So you have reduced this to name calling and personal attacks...... What more can you ask of a rabid democrat...... I asked a number of times for some sort of track record, any kind of track record, so far you are the only one to come up with anything, and with it comes the typical attacks that only a fanatic would tender. You have done well for your side friend.....
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If you choose to debate the subject then please, LET US KNOW HOW YOU CHOOSE TO MOTIVATE A NATION IN DISTRESS. HOW WOULD YOU TELL MILLIONS OF DEPRESSED AMERICANS HOPE AND CHANGE STARTS WITH YOU. By saying OH LOOK AT MY TRACK RECORD. Because I tell you what, I will say FUCK YOU AND YOUR TRACK RECORD, and ASK WHAT IS IT "I" CAN DO TO CHANGE "MY" SITUATION.
We do allot of shit to change how we feel from, drugs to drinking, so if Obama comes in and "HELPS" millions of people feel like they can take change back in there hands, and brings the hope right to their door step do you really even care where that hope is coming from. Isn't enough to feel empowered on your own and to want to do something. Change doesn't start with the next president it starts with you.
I know where change starts pal, and I know where the BS starts as well. I know quite well that your "Mr. Feelgood" can't do squat unless he gets help from both sides of the isle. If he can't do anything in Illinois, how in the hell do you expect that he can do ANYTHING in DC, THAT'S WHY I asked for something to back up what this guy claims he wants to do...........
I asked a number of times for some sort of track record, any kind of track record, so far you are the only one to come up with anything, and with it comes the typical attacks that only a fanatic would tender. You have done well for your side friend.....
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