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So if McCain talked about how David Duke was his friend, mentor, and trusted advisor, and all the great things Duke did for the white community it would be fine with you all as long as he said he did not approve of all of his statements?

Some how I think this would be a very different conversation and people would have a different stance.
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So if McCain talked about how David Duke was his friend, mentor, and trusted advisor, and all the great things Duke did for the white community it would be fine with you all as long as he said he did not approve of all of his statements?

Some how I think this would be a very different conversation and people would have a different stance.
I don't think that McCain has ever met David Duke. So what exactly is your lame point?

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I don't think that McCain has ever met David Duke. So what exactly is your lame point?
My point is that everyone is so willing to give Obama a pass but would they be as willing to give McCain a pass if the situation was reversed?
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if that's the case, bush should be hanged for following Jerry Falwell and the that other cult the 700 Club.
...................and you were going where with this?
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I had so many posts to pick from to quote, but this one was best, as it gives me the chance to say things are quite different when the shoe is on the other foot, eh? When the media is demonizing "our side," whichever side that may be, it stings.

The other posts(not all yours, Jim) asking the question as to whether Obama should suffer for the ramblings of his reverend, it would be quite different if that reverend didn't hold a prominent place in the campaign (or used to, at least). You get to choose the people around you, and this was a bad choice, as this individual has chosen to polarize a very polarizing issue. The polarization cannot help this campaign, the candidate will lose no matter how much of an attempt is made to "shame" America for taking the likely side in it. Obama's attempts to deny knowledge come across as pure BS. He made a bad choice to have this man in his campaign.

I abhor racism in this country, it is sad that we are having this kind of discussion in the 21st century. It exists, though, and if Obama wanted to win, neither he nor his surrogates should have played the card first.
I think you are misjudging the playing of the race card. There was a tension on the subject of dropping the race card, like a wound spring, and when Obama's minister was played back on TV saying what he said, well, it seems like that tripped the playing of the race card criteria for many. So now it is played and well, he was just a nigger anyway, right? Just took a while to let everyone know, right?

I would not suggest Obama asked his "surrogate" to play any race cards or that he played any race cards in the campaign. The Reverend was making a speech to an audience gathered to hear the Reverend speak, not about Obama or his candidacy. It is his congregation and he speaks to them regularly. And, it should be clear that Obama had nothing to do with writing or approving the speech.

I think you find this too easy to object to for you to be believable as a wounded white person who now finds reason to not support the Black man openly. Whew! eh? Look at the work of the Reverend on the whole, try to observe his congregation and how he connects with them. Listen to some of Obama's words in his speech. Being horrified by something for effect is not going to fix the problem.

While the Reverend's words are harsher and nastier, the message about 9-11 is factual, and part of Ron Paul's message. Anyone who thinks the USA is free of racism is either under the age of 2, chronologically or mentally, or lying. You have to be looking for some way to spring the "race card" trap to take this as a real issue. Get over it. Listen to what the candidate has to offer the whole country. Best message out there. By far. Jim
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My point is that everyone is so willing to give Obama a pass but would they be as willing to give McCain a pass if the situation was reversed?
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So if McCain talked about how David Duke was his friend, mentor, and trusted advisor, and all the great things Duke did for the white community it would be fine with you all as long as he said he did not approve of all of his statements?

Some how I think this would be a very different conversation and people would have a different stance.
And what great things did David Duke do for the white community again?

There is no convenient analogy. And the Duke one is poor. But, if there was one that was equivalent, I would hold McCain in disdain for his flip flopping on major issues, not his buddies or mentors or whatever. Like he was against torture until he was suddenly for it when it looked like he might lose ground to the competition on the GOP side. Same with the Bush tax cuts. Jim
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I think you are misjudging the playing of the race card. There was a tension on the subject of dropping the race card, like a wound spring, and when Obama's minister was played back on TV saying what he said, well, it seems like that tripped the playing of the race card criteria for many. So now it is played and well, he was just a nigger anyway, right? Just took a while to let everyone know, right?

I would not suggest Obama asked his "surrogate" to play any race cards or that he played any race cards in the campaign. The Reverend was making a speech to an audience gathered to hear the Reverend speak, not about Obama or his candidacy. It is his congregation and he speaks to them regularly. And, it should be clear that Obama had nothing to do with writing or approving the speech.

I think you find this too easy to object to for you to be believable as a wounded white person who now finds reason to not support the Black man openly. Whew! eh? Look at the work of the Reverend on the whole, try to observe his congregation and how he connects with them. Listen to some of Obama's words in his speech. Being horrified by something for effect is not going to fix the problem.

While the Reverend's words are harsher and nastier, the message about 9-11 is factual, and part of Ron Paul's message. Anyone who thinks the USA is free of racism is either under the age of 2, chronologically or mentally, or lying. You have to be looking for some way to spring the "race card" trap to take this as a real issue. Get over it. Listen to what the candidate has to offer the whole country. Best message out there. By far. Jim
I never suggested that Obama wrote the speech or asked his pastor to deliver it, and that is beside the point. The judgment exhibited by the candidate in having this reverend associated with the campaign is flawed. And, to suggest that I was looking for an excuse to not support the most liberal candidate in the running is ludicrous. You are just looking for a reason to imply that I'm racist for not supporting him.
To be clear, I won't vote for Obama because he is the most liberal candidate in the field. Anyone to his right is more acceptable to me.

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And what great things did David Duke do for the white community again?

There is no convenient analogy. And the Duke one is poor. But, if there was one that was equivalent, I would hold McCain in disdain for his flip flopping on major issues, not his buddies or mentors or whatever. Like he was against torture until he was suddenly for it when it looked like he might lose ground to the competition on the GOP side. Same with the Bush tax cuts. Jim
As far as I know Duke has done nothing useful or helpful. As you point out it was simply an analogy.

Not talking about issues in general with each candidate just one specific issue.

There is no doubt that McCain (much like Kerry) has never met an issue he has not flip flopped on.
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Jim, please ease up on the racist finger pointing, its bringing you down to proving ,you are in fact 'the racist'.
Just an observation.
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