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Is there some kind of competition for who can post the most words in one day? Guess I missed the memo...

Actually I think it was Jim that missed the memo, the part at the bottom said you did not need to post that many words to confuse the hell out of Jay........
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Jim,

A couple small points, then I'll shut up, because we seem to be confusing Jay. Don't give the electorate too much credit. They have been molded into a sound bite culture, and all it takes is a seed of doubt to lose credibility with them. It is a shame that it has occurred, but it is why politicians can't really talk about details of plans these days, it exceeds their attention spans (thus the confusion aforementioned). I would bet that if Britney did shoot herself in the head during a pivotal presidential debate, most would be pissed if the networks didn't preempt coverage to announce it.
Second, I can't get to the words being out of context, as I can't think of biblical words placed before or after that would make a sermon, at least my model of one (ie - do good stuff and don't do bad stuff). Nonetheless, he remains one of many pastors using their pulpits to lead their sheep towards things that shouldn't matter in a church.

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I think the "churches" in inner city Black communities are more to them than "churches" ever represented to me in my life. I think that may be true for others. Even White "Born Again" type churches seem to be more to their congregations than any church has been for me. When I ski in Southern Colorado there are always busses from Texas and Arkansas Church groups there. I rode a lift with a guy from one who made it pretty clear, for some the church is everything in their life, for others it is as little as a tax free organization that can arrange much lower cost ski trips to Colorado. To each his own. And the church is happy to have all of them. Jim
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what credibility does Hillary have anyway?
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McCain also?
Anyone who spent years at the Hanoi Hilton is credible enough for me.

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Why use Falwell as an example? McCain's pal Hagee is a better one. Hagee, a frothing, foaming at the mouth screaming shitbag bigot, hates everyone, especially Catholics. Now that Jayhawk and cmitch are aware of this bigot, I am sure they will drop their support of McCain.
The slight difference being that McCain hasn't attended Hagee's church for twenty years, doesn't consider him a personal friend and mentor and doesn't afterwards run around claiming not to know what Hagee is about.

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Anyone who spent years at the Hanoi Hilton is credible enough for me.
I used to share that view. He has either had a stroke in the last 8 months, is suffering from brain drying from running around so much in airplanes, or he is just not credible. His most recent reversal of position on torture was too hard to follow - even a veteran sports announcer couldn't describe that flip flop in real time and sound credible. I don't think McCain's embrace of Rove made him any more credible, especially as a straight talker. I think it is a sign he has been bought and paid for, and, like Bush is now just a hollow cavity for those in charge of the GOP to insert their arms into his ass and make him do their bidding like a giant finger puppet. And it honestly makes me sad to see that happen to a guy I respected for a long time. Jim
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The recent image of Lieberman whispering embarassing corrections into his alzheimer's-riddled mind is really a bit pathetic... I'm sorry, but McCain is too smart to start speaking of Al Qaeda in Iran. Something isn't right there.

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The recent image of Lieberman whispering embarassing corrections into his alzheimer's-riddled mind is really a bit pathetic... I'm sorry, but McCain is too smart to start speaking of Al Qaeda in Iran. Something isn't right there.
The prism through which you view the world must have a big crack running through it... It really warps everything you say and substantially reduces your credibility.

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The elimination of racism is a worthy endeavor, but politicizing it is a loser for whomsoever does it.
I think you have the whole ball of wax in that one sentence.

It's a shame there are those here that only want to play the race game when it suites their purpose.

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McCain Mistakenly Says Iran Allowing Al Qaeda Fighters Into Country, Later Corrects Error -- FoxNews.com

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Republican presidential nominee-in-waiting, mistakenly said Tuesday that Iran was allowing Al Qaeda fighters into the country to be trained and returned to Iraq.

McCain, expressing concern about Iran’s rising sway in the Mideast, said, “Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and is receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran.” He made the comments Tuesday at a news conference in Jordan; he made similar comments earlier to radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt.

Iran is a predominantly Shiite Muslim country and has been at pains to close its borders to Al Qaeda fighters of the rival Sunni sect.

Iran has been accused by the United States of funding, training and arming Iraqi Shiite militants in their uprising against the United States. But there have been no allegations by Washington and no evidence that Al Qaeda has benefited from Iranian assistance.

After Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who was traveling with McCain, stepped forward to whisper in the candidate’s ear, McCain said: “I’m sorry; the Iranians are training the extremists, not Al Qaeda. Not Al Qaeda. I’m sorry.”

McCain, who has linked his political future to U.S. success in Iraq, had just completed his eighth visit to Iraq. He was in the wartorn country on Monday for meetings with Iraqi and U.S. diplomatic and military officials.

McCain’s gaffe immediately drew criticism from the Democratic National Committee, which insisted he must not understand the challenges facing Iraq.

“Not only is Senator McCain wrong on Iraq once again, but he showed he either doesn’t understand the challenges facing Iraq and the region or is willing to ignore the facts on the ground,” said Democratic National Committee Communications Director Karen Finney.

McCain also voiced similar concern that Tehran is bringing militants over the border into Iran for training before sending them back to fight U.S. troops in Iraq, and he blamed Syria for allegedly continuing to expedite a flow of foreign fighters.

“We continue to be concerned about Iranian influence and assistance to Hezbollah as well as Iranian pursuit of nuclear weapons,” McCain said.

He added that, if elected president, he would coordinate better with Europe to impose a “broad range of sanctions and punishments” on Tehran, to “convince them that their activities, particularly development of nuclear weapons, is not a beneficial goal to seek.”

McCain declined to comment on whether he could back an eventual decision to strike Iran if Tehran doesn’t cease its nuclear activities.

In response to a question about possible U.S. strikes against Tehran, McCain only said: “At the end of the day, we cannot afford having a nuclear-armed Iran.”

In addition, McCain noted U.S. military officials recently discovered a cache of armor-piercing bombs in Iraq, and he hinted the explosives had been provided by Iran. U.S. officials have long been saying that Iran provides explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs to, Shiite militias in Iraq, although the Iranian government denies any role.

The U.S. military reported two such finds during the past week.

McCain warned that any hasty pullout from Iraq would be a mistake that would favor Iran and Al Qaeda.

“We continue to be very concerned about the Iranian influence in Iraq and in the region,” McCain said.

McCain ran into trouble last year when he joked about bombing Iran, giving a campaign audience in South Carolina a rendition of the opening lyrics of the Beach Boys rock classic “Barbara Ann,” calling the tune “Bomb Iran” and changing the words to “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, anyway, ah …”

Later Tuesday, McCain received a celebrity welcome in Jerusalem, beginning a two-day visit to Israel with a stop at the Yad Vashem Holocaust memorial. As his motorcade pulled up dozens of tourists greeted him and chanted “Mac is back,” as he shook their hands and posed for photographs.

During his 90-minute visit at the memorial and museum, McCain was visibly moved, his eyes welling with tears as he viewed photographs from Nazi death camps.

Wearing a skullcap placed on his head by Lieberman, McCain laid a wreath in memory of the 6 million Jewish Holocaust victims and lit a memorial flame. Signing the Yad Vashem visitors’ book he wrote: “I am deeply moved. Never again. John McCain.”

His visit to Iraq was the Arizona senator’s first since emerging as the presumed Republican nominee. He was accompanied by Lieberman and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., two of his top supporters in the race for president.

He promised that, if elected president, he would uphold a long-term military commitment in Iraq as long as Al Qaeda in Iraq is not defeated.

McCain is a supporter of the 2003 invasion and President Bush’s troop increase last year.
John McCain is not an idiot, despite all appearances to the contrary here. He repeated this same error three times in less than a week. Something isn't right.

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