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Obama vs. Hillary in Austin last night

I must say that Hillary had a better showing. Obama seemed to get "lost in translation" alot when Hillary made a point on something. he didn't seem as confident as Hillary either. I think he is withering under the storm.

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I thought Obama came across as more genuine, while HRC seemed to be some sort of stage production, with that frozen goofy smile of hers.

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He has never come off well against her in debates but most people have said it was a dead heat or she just scraped by and beat him but on average what I have read he did better than he usually does. She is just better at bullshitting, lying, scamming, flimflamming. call it what you want at least some around the country are starting to recognise it................
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most of Obama's stance was cliche' talk of what America "needs" to do, not what he plans to do to get it done. I thought they both did a bit of showboating but at least Hillary has a hint of what it takes. I think Dems are not sure if they want a older white woman as their candidate and Obama just "feels" better in their minds. Democrats have always been "emotional" voters and not "issue based" voters. they don't really look at who can do the job, but more or less who they would "like" to have the job. not really a good way to vote.
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The line where she went after him on his use of another person's speech was the most telling moment.

In law school I understand you are taught never to ask a question unless you know the answer. In debate you don't ask a question, or make a point without knowing the potential counter responses.

When she said "Lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in, it's change you can Xerox.", that should have been a solid knockout IF THEY HAD VETTED THE INFORMATION. Apparently they had not.

From Obama, "The notion that I had plagiarized from somebody who was one of my national co-chairs who gave me the line and suggested that I use it, I think, is silly, and you know, this is where we start getting into silly season, in politics, and I think people start getting discouraged about it."

The booing from the audience that came from her remarks and inability to move on showed a complete lack of judgment. It was very similar to the Iowa hit from John Edwards.


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The line where she went after him on his use of another person's speech was the most telling moment.
Does this line from Hillary sound familiar?

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Asked to describe "the moment that tested you the most," Clinton began: "Well, I think everybody here knows I've lived through some crises and some challenging moments in my life."

The crowd applauded, enthusiastically.

Then she continued.

"But people often ask me, ‘How do you do it?' You know, ‘How do you keep going?' And I just have to shake my head in wonderment, because with all of the challenges that I've had, they are nothing compared to what I see happening in the lives of Americans every single day."
Didn't Bill say the same thing back in the 90's? Nice to have that one on the shelf. So handy.

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I've posted before that on issues there is not whit of difference between them, but both seemed to get their steam up over health insurance. Maybe if we had an hour on that topic the debate would have been more fun to watch. The moderators seemed adrift at times.

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Well it is true, HRC does have more experience, at flim flam, lying and fooling her supporters. Maybe she should follow Fred Thompson and go into acting, she can turn on the tears whenever necessary and she learns her lines quickly.

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I don't think people realize that she's still married to Bill. Electing her would be like re-electing him. You don't really think he's going to be content decorating Christmas trees and picking china patterns, do you?
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