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The signs are everywhere, "movement" conservatism is dying

The rapid collapse of neo-conism and so-called "movement" conservatism is taking even me by surprise, it is starting to come down like the Berlin Wall. Huge Democratic turnouts, of the voters who gave up voting. Limbaugh and Coulter, repudiated by their own party and now national laughingstocks. Hannity's ratings falling, Fox ratings falling, Limbaugh down some six million listeners. All uber-right candidates failing in the GOP primaries. An irrelevent president everyone ignores. WTF happened? This article is excellent:

Zakaria: The End of Conservatism | Newsweek Voices - Fareed Zakaria | Newsweek.com

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Like liberalism died in the 1980's, right?

Which, curiously, is the last time there was a conservative elected to the presidency.

The biggest problems we are facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all and that’s what I intend to reverse.

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Next to "neo-con" in the dictionary is a picture of you dressed up like a dolled-up whore.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Next to "neo-con" in the dictionary is a picture of you dressed up like a dolled-up whore.
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Picture of "Botsy" at last neo-con convention:




Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but when did our current Federal policy of spending money like a drunken sailor, cutting taxes on the "uber rich" and bankrupting the country while spending untold billions on a war with no identifiable enemy become "conservative policy?" Just because some politicians call it "conservative" does not make it so. And when did alowing our country's infrastructure to go to pot along with our health care system and our border security become "conservative?"

Let's try to see matters in a much more complex and correct way than the conservative/liberal titles, and try to see them in light of common sense and what works and what is broken. Eisenhower was a conservative, but he tried to keep spending in check, and keep it prioritized in accord with the needs of our people. For one thing, he was the "Father" of our current interstate highway system -- I can't imaginel life now without it. We'd be a third world country! I'm sure Eisenhower is turning over in his grave over what is being done in the name of conservatism, and the statements of well-known "conservative" pundants.

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I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but when did our current Federal policy of spending money like a drunken sailor, cutting taxes on the "uber rich" and bankrupting the country while spending untold billions on a war with no identifiable enemy become "conservative policy?" Just because some politicians call it "conservative" does not make it so. And when did alowing our country's infrastructure to go to pot along with our health care system and our border security become "conservative?"

Let's try to see matters in a much more complex and correct way than the conservative/liberal titles, and try to see them in light of common sense and what works and what is broken. Eisenhower was a conservative, but he tried to keep spending in check, and keep it prioritized in accord with the needs of our people. For one thing, he was the "Father" of our current interstate highway system -- I can't imaginel life now without it. W'd be a third world country! I'm sure Eisenhower is turning over in his grave over what is being done in the name of conservatism, and the statements of well-known liberal pundants.
I believe the answer to your question would be when the NeoConservative movement under Kristol, Dobson, Cheney, Bush and Rove hijacked the Republican Party.

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Best paragraph of the article. It summarizes the Shrinking28 quite well. It also supports the "Light at the end of the Tunnel" response from the "Americans Feel Better about the Future" thread.


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Most crucially, Americans' views of the state are shifting. They don't want bigger government—a poll last year found that a majority (57 percent) still believe that government makes it harder for people to get ahead in life—but they do want a smarter government, one that can help them be safe, secure and well prepared for political and economic challenges. In this context, conservative slogans sound weirdly anachronistic, like watching an old TV show from ... well, from the 1970s.

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You know, seeing this stuff makes me even sadder about Bill Clinton's misbehavior. Because if it weren't for that, the whole current nightmare might have been averted. Remember how "close" the 2000 election was.
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You know, seeing this stuff makes me even sadder about Bill Clinton's misbehavior. Because if it weren't for that, the whole current nightmare might have been averted. Remember how "close" the 2000 election was.
Strange you mention that. We had this very conversation in town less than a week ago. We got Bush due to a guy with a sex addiction.

I suppose the true cynic would say that if Hillary...nevermind.

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