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TR pushed the Republican party to the left, to a progressive, moderate stance. Other than his distrust for many wealthy businessmen, corporations [see Square Deal, Trust Buster], stance against the courts when they ruled against unions and his very pro conservation positions I can see where he was much like the current Republicans. And he was also considered highly moral, somewhat incongruous with the current occupants of the office.
The current administration's major accomplishment is, as you and nearly everybody else on the planet have opined often, Iraq. Teddy's major accomplishment was the Canal.

The morality of each is open to question. Yours is predicated on assumptions concerning teh current occupant that are equivocal.

Concerning the trusts issue, there is absolutely no comparison because Bush did not assume power following laissez faire capitalism for the previous 110 years -- Roosevelt's inheritance. Bush took over after nearly 100 years of legal federal dominance of market (for good and ill, IMO). The level of abuse of power by industry was incomparably greater in Roosevelt's day. The best Bush et al could come up with is the odd corporate chief and of course, ENRON. Small taters, indeed compared to TR.

But on the major issue, Bush, like Roosevelt at the height of his power, over-reached his authority, defied Congress at every turn, and did damn-near whatever he wanted when in office including engaging in military missions without even a passing nod to Congress or the constitution.

Folks who like TR and hate Bush do so for EXACTLY the same reasons, which is of course, paradoxical to say the least.

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I might've known your dictionary would have pictures.

Which reminds me, why, when I purchase a 35 pound dictionary at $75 do the illustrations look as though they were drunkenly stamped on the pages by a Salvation Army recruit utilizing a crudely carved potato stamp and ink from an non-combative squid?

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[QUOTE=Botnst;2753326]Teddy would approve of everything done by the United States since 2001. Perhaps he would disagree with the methods, but the goals are quite congruent with his own administration.

Progressivism would imo would not approve of the consequentially ways of Bush, his actions are not in line with a deontologist like TR and TR may have argued that lying is always wrong, regardless of any potential "good" that might come from lying. A virtue ethicist, however, would focus less on lying in any particular instance and instead consider what a decision to tell a lie or not tell a lie said about one's character. And as we know Bush does lie. The means the end and all that jazz.
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In the case of "aluminum" , we can pin the whole mess on Sir Humphry Davy, the English chemist who discovered the stuff back in 1807. Indulging in the perversity of which historical figures seem fond, Davy named his discovery not "aluminum," nor even "aluminium," but "alumium," basing the term on the Latin "alumen," meaning "alum," a substance drawn from the same mineral that had been used since ancient times for dyeing hides and the like. This is all a bit confusing, but we can take comfort in the fact that Davy was apparently a bit befuddled too. Around 1812 he decided that the proper name of his discovery was not "alumium," but actually "aluminum." Almost immediately Davy was besieged by other scientists who pointed out that if Davy would just add an "i" to make the term "aluminium," it would fall into line with such other substance names as "sodium" and "calcium" and, in their words, "sound more classical." So Davy named it yet again, this time to "aluminium," and the "ium" form became standard in both the U.S. and Great Britain.

Unfortunately, many people in the U.S. had evidently stopped listening by that point and continued to call the stuff "aluminum," and this spelling became so widespread that it was eventually adopted as the standard in the U.S. "Aluminium," however, is the official spelling used by international chemical societies. One hopes that Sir Humphry Davy, wherever he may be, is at last happy like TK.
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Teddy would approve of everything done by the United States since 2001. Perhaps he would disagree with the methods, but the goals are quite congruent with his own administration.

I'm hoping over the remainder of the election year that the two parties will tear at each other so despicably that people will become increasingly open to alternatives to the twin whores. I'm thinking if they both go the FTL route, rabid fanaticism, it will allow sanity an easy passage.

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How amusing to be called a "fanatic" by a guy who stood by Bush through every scandal, fuck up and bad decision. You sir, are a true fanatic, a logical man who refused to see the obvious.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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In the case of "aluminum" , we can pin the whole mess on Sir Humphry Davy, the English chemist who discovered the stuff back in 1807. Indulging in the perversity of which historical figures seem fond, Davy named his discovery not "aluminum," nor even "aluminium," but "alumium," basing the term on the Latin "alumen," meaning "alum," a substance drawn from the same mineral that had been used since ancient times for dyeing hides and the like. This is all a bit confusing, but we can take comfort in the fact that Davy was apparently a bit befuddled too. Around 1812 he decided that the proper name of his discovery was not "alumium," but actually "aluminum." Almost immediately Davy was besieged by other scientists who pointed out that if Davy would just add an "i" to make the term "aluminium," it would fall into line with such other substance names as "sodium" and "calcium" and, in their words, "sound more classical." So Davy named it yet again, this time to "aluminium," and the "ium" form became standard in both the U.S. and Great Britain.

Unfortunately, many people in the U.S. had evidently stopped listening by that point and continued to call the stuff "aluminum," and this spelling became so widespread that it was eventually adopted as the standard in the U.S. "Aluminium," however, is the official spelling used by international chemical societies. One hopes that Sir Humphry Davy, wherever he may be, is at last happy like TK.
Thanks for that. Can you possibly provide us with an equally interesting and entertaining story regarding nuclear/nukular?

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Thanks for that. Can you possibly provide us with an equally interesting and entertaining story regarding nuclear/nukular?
Not a problem Ron , clears throat....shuffles paper, The error that is nuclear/nukular is not an issue of lexicographical command by a nation but is a single case of a terminally moronic individual that goes by the name of George w Bush opening his mouth, errors come to play most times this happen's, this man is also known for reading books upside down while towers fall and not knowing arse from elbow.

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LOL -- well done,sir.

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Teddy would approve of everything done by the United States since 2001. Perhaps he would disagree with the methods, but the goals are quite congruent with his own administration.

Progressivism would imo would not approve of the consequentially ways of Bush, his actions are not in line with a deontologist like TR and TR may have argued that lying is always wrong, regardless of any potential "good" that might come from lying. A virtue ethicist, however, would focus less on lying in any particular instance and instead consider what a decision to tell a lie or not tell a lie said about one's character. And as we know Bush does lie. The means the end and all that jazz.
Roosevelt did a fair share of playing with facts to produce a truth taht agreed with his objectives. When a president does that on issues with which we agree we call him a great leader and visionary. When we disagree, he's a lying skunk.

Nice rhetorical trick: "we know" + (argument) = Conclusion. The predicate is presumptive of the conclusion.

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