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Next to "neo-con" in the dictionary is a picture of you dressed up like a dolled-up whore.
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Strange you mention that. We had this very conversation in town less than a week ago. We got Bush due to a guy with a sex addiction.

I suppose the true cynic would say that if Hillary...nevermind.
Oh yeah, and we have said it

Meanwhile, do you think she's going to bring the Party down with her now? She doesn't appear to have the grace to back down in the face of something as trivial as public preference. Yes, March 4 will make all the difference, but still.
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Oh yeah, and we have said it

Meanwhile, do you think she's going to bring the Party down with her now? She doesn't appear to have the grace to back down in the face of something as trivial as public preference. Yes, March 4 will make all the difference, but still.
That group hates to lose. I saw something today that said that unless she runs the table with Texas, Ohio AND Penn she would have no legitimate claim on the Superdelegates.

So it really comes down to how much trash she is willing to throw between now and March 4. I would hope that their campaign would keep the discourse professional but I really doubt that will be the case. The dirty work will be done by agents provocateur from whom she can quickly distance herself.

I would think that if March 4 goes bad for her, she will have no choice but to back off but again, I DO NOT believe they consider loss an option.

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That group hates to lose.
That's kind of the crux of the matter. The Klintons worship power for its own sake, and have proven capable of just about anything to achieve & maintain it.

Somewhat paradoxically, it's the very same thing which has compromised their public support.
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That's kind of the crux of the matter. The Klintons worship power for its own sake, and have proven capable of just about anything to achieve & maintain it.

Somewhat paradoxically, it's the very same thing which has compromised their public support.
Back in 2000 there was a contingent of Democrats that didn't really support Gore simply because he acted as though he was "supposed" to be next in line, that he was heir apparent to the Clinton White House.

It looks like there is a group of Democrats that are reacting that very same way now. There is a big difference between the two, however. At least Gore was running on HIS record, not THEIR record. I think that is causing a rift that will be problematic.

All that said, if she gets the nomination, the Party will rally around her as there does seem to be a very strong movement to insure that there is not "more of the same".

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Maybe the Party will rally around her, but so far as getting indies & repubs to join in, not so much. There are all too many people (like myself) that will have immense difficulty voting for someone we know to be completely unprincipled.
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Maybe the Party will rally around her, but so far as getting indies & repubs to join in, not so much. There are all too many people (like myself) that will have immense difficulty voting for someone we know to be completely unprincipled.
And that brings up the Bloomberg question.

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Pendulumatic swings don't end so much as give way for the time being. Their usurpers movements having, like a torrent, little control over the nature of the change they usher in.
Exactly right.

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Pendulumatic swings don't end so much as give way for the time being. Their usurpers movements having, like a torrent, little control over the nature of the change they usher in.
There are still people who are pissed at Theodore Roosevelt for his part in what is considered the breakup of the original Republican Party. So the pendulum CAN come crashing to a halt. The NeoCons seem to be in a similar self destruct mode right now [time will tell if that is accurate]. And interestingly, a post NeoCon Republican Party might just be a reflection of the original Republican Party that ol' Teddy ripped asunder back in Decade1 of the last century.

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