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Quite rightly so!

heh, heh.....


UK's 'concerns' over 9/11 trials


Mr Miliband said the UK always asserted its system of values

Foreign Secretary David Miliband has said he has "some concerns" over US military tribunals for six men charged with involvement in the 9/11 attacks.
The US government has promised fair trials for the Guantanamo Bay inmates, who could face the death penalty.
But human rights groups say the tribunals make this impossible and that the defendants were tortured.
Mr Miliband told BBC Radio 2's Jeremy Vine show there was "absolutely no question" that torture was illegal.
Murder charges
Alleged 9/11 plot mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is among those charged.
He and his co-defendants could face the death penalty if convicted of murder and conspiracy.
The BBC's Vincent Dowd in Washington says a confession gained from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed may prove problematic as the CIA admitted using "water-boarding" - or simulated drowning - as an interrogation technique.
SUSPECTS CHARGED
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
Walid Bin Attash
Ramzi Binalshibh
Ali Abd al-Aziz Ali
Mustafa Ahmad al-Hawsawi
Mohammed al-Qahtani



9/11 charges mark milestone
Profiles: The six suspects


In answer to a question from a Jeremy Vine show listener, Mr Miliband said the UK defined water-boarding as torture, adding that "we don't... we would never use water-boarding".
Mr Miliband said: "There's absolutely no question about the UK government's commitments in respect of torture, which is illegal, and our definition of what torture is.
"And I think it's very, very important that we always assert that our system of values is different from those who attacked the US and killed British citizens on 11 September, and that's something we'd always want to stand up for."
Any trials would be held by military tribunal under the terms of the Military Commissions Act, passed by the US Congress in 2006.
The act set up tribunals to try terror suspects who were not US citizens.
But human rights groups have questioned whether these can be fair.
'Check and balance'
Asked if the trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would respect his legal rights, Mr Miliband said: "We have some concerns about that, and there are still some cases in front of the American Supreme Court, because, of course, the great thing about America, and I suppose countries like ours as well, is that the independent legal system provides a check and a balance on the operation of the legal system itself.
"And so the Supreme Court has already ruled against some of the tribunals that have been established from the Guantanamo experience, and there are some cases in respect of what's called the Military Commissions Act, which is the basis on which he'd be tried, that are being discussed in front of the Supreme Court at the moment."
The charges are the first for Guantanamo Bay inmates directly related to the 9/11 attacks.
The detention centre, in south-east Cuba, began to receive US military prisoners in January 2002. Hundreds have been released without charge but about 275 remain and the US hopes to try about 80. Nineteen men hijacked four planes in the 9/11 attacks. Two planes hit the World Trade Center in New York, another the Pentagon in Washington and the fourth crashed in Pennsylvania.
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Hey - I'm a fairly left wing guy, but I'm always asking myself, "What if, as a result of the water boarding, intelligence was gained to stop another attack?" In that case the end justifies the means IMO. I guess I'm a conflicted liberal...
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For connoisseurs of hypocrisy this was the most exquisite morsel:

Little David Miliband realy is in a muddle, but being in the job only a handful of weeks for a government that is about to fall, he has yet to come to terms with the real world .
2/8/08, Afghanistan was the main topic of conversation in Lancaster House when Condoleezza Rice met the small boy David Miliband. While the two ministers plainly enjoy a good rapport, I was struck by the subtle differences in their rhetoric. Miliband, like all British ministers, never uses the phrase “war on terrorism”. In fact, he never uses the word “war” at all. ‘Don’t mention the war’ is Miliband’s unofficial slogan. Instead, his definition of the international mission is: “We’re in Afghanistan to help an independent country and a democratic country to run its own affairs."
Miliband stresses the importance of building up Afghan institutions and promoting development. Listening to Miliband, he appears to think that Afghanistan is an essentially managerial problem, sadly complicated by the presence of the recalcitrant Taliban.
Rice is much blunter. For her, Afghanistan is the scene of a counter-insurgency campaign against the Taliban on which the future security of the Western world depends. For all the talk about helping the Afghan government, Rice stresses that the military campaign is just as important.
Today, she said: “Our populations need to understand that this is not a peacekeeping mission, this is a counter-insurgency fight and that’s different. The military aspects of this, the security aspects are equally important to what we do in governance.”
Seared by the experience of 9/11, America sees itself as a nation at war. Neither Britain nor any other European ally can match Washington’s willpower or focus, Yet.
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well hey how about one of them Sharia/ Muslim trials
And then chop their heads off
Try appealing that one
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well hey how about one of them Sharia/ Muslim trials
And then chop their heads off
Try appealing that one

heh, heh......sweet! heh, heh.......
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