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Before this "debate" goes too much further, I think all of you might want to visit this site, which spells out arguments for and against the EC:

United States Electoral College - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Pundits Already Write Off 31 States in '08 Presidential Race

Political analyst Lou Jacobson today listed 19 battleground states for the 2008 presidential election. The remaining 31 states are listed as either "safely Democratic" or "safely Republican."

The complete article contains an interactive map.

In order from most Republican to most Democratic, the 19 battleground states for the 2008 presidential election are

2 Likely Republican
Virginia (13 electoral votes)
Nevada (5 electoral votes)

6 Lean Republican
Florida (27 electoral votes)
Arizona (10 electoral votes)
West Virginia (5 electoral votes)
Colorado (9 electoral votes)
Arkansas (6 electoral votes)
Missouri (11 electoral votes)

3 Toss-Up
Ohio (20 electoral votes)
New Mexico (5 electoral votes)
Iowa (7 electoral votes)

5 Lean Democratic
Wisconsin (10 electoral votes)
Minnesota (10 electoral votes)
Michigan (17 electoral votes)
Maine (4 electoral votes)
Pennsylvania (21 electoral votes)

3 Likely Democratic
Oregon (7 electoral votes)
New Hampshire (4 electoral votes)
Washington state (11 electoral votes)

Forty-eight states currently use the winner-take-all rule that awards all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in each state.

Under the winner-take-all rule, candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or worry about the concerns of voters of states that they cannot possibly win or lose. This means that voters in two thirds of the states are effectively disenfranchised in presidential elections because candidates concentrate their attention on a small handful of "battleground" states. In 2004, candidates concentrated over two-thirds of their money and campaign visits to win votes in just five states; over 80% in nine states; and over 99% of their money in just 16 states.

The spectator states in presidential elections include 12 of the 13 least populous states (all but New Hampshire); 9 of the nation's 13 most populous states (California, Texas, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, North Carolina, Georgia, Virginia, and Massachusetts).

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Asinine? Then why don't we utilize an EC for local, regional and state elections? Sheer numbers represent the will of the people without excluding whole segments who have no real chance to have their voices heard. The EC is an anachronistic relic of our slave-holding days--we can do without that legacy
Because if you don't agree with the politics of the locality, region, or state, you can move - without affecting your citizenship.
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electoral college is kind of weak =p

<-- pro popular vote

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Because if you don't agree with the politics of the locality, region, or state, you can move - without affecting your citizenship.
Alright, that's truly asinine
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Because if you don't agree with the politics of the locality, region, or state, you can move - without affecting your citizenship.

with the politics of the locality, region, or state, ----you left out asinine politicians in Washington deciding foreign policy
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I'm a constitutionalist, dude.

Read the paper. It has meaning even for pea-brained fanatical cunts such as yourself.

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electoral college is kind of weak =p

<-- pro popular vote
The really funny thing is that the ones who really knew why they formed the electoral college are DEAD. So, who does that leave to interpret what 'they' meant?

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The really funny thing is that the ones who really knew why they formed the electoral college are DEAD. So, who does that leave to interpret what 'they' meant?
I think what they intended is abundantly clear--and brilliant! It is also extremely relevant today--perhaps even more relevant today than at the signing.

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Well, since we're pandering to the perceived intentions of long dead guys--HWJV?
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