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Why do you think Mercedes-Benz is cutting back production for 2008 when they achieved record sales of over 260,000 units in the USA for 2007?
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In a nutshell? Bush has fucked us completely. We will not recover from this crusade for a long while. I imagine MB execs noticed all the foreclosers on their block and decided it was time to scale back a bit.

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The new, hugely important C Class is not a hit out of the park success, the slowing economy, and the sinking dollar. Mercedes will ahve to cheapen its cars to stay competitive. So will many others.
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GW greatest achievement, the sinking dollar.
At the debut of the Euro in 2002, U.S. $ .85 would buy one;
now it takes U.S. $ 1.45 to buy one Euro.
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GW greatest achievement, the sinking dollar.
At the debut of the Euro in 2002, U.S. $ .85 would buy one;
now it takes U.S. $ 1.45 to buy one Euro.

Horst, please get with the times, the Mystical all foretelling Kansas Oracle says a sinking dollar is good for the US economy, the economy is going to be flying higher than anyhing before long, any day now it will be soaring as high as a mythical jayhawk......

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And they are increasing here.............

Mercedes Benz to launch new models in RI

Monday, February 04, 2008
Aditya Suharmoko, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

Amid predictions of sluggish car demand this year, PT Mercedes Benz Indonesia, a local unit of German auto giant Daimler AG, is set to launch five new models to help boost its sales.

"The company predicts the market for luxurious cars will grow by only 17 percent this year due to the high global oil prices and preparations for the 2009 general election," said Mercedes Benz deputy marketing director Yuniadi Hartono on Sunday.

"Therefore, we will launch five new models in different classes to compete in the market and help lift our share in the premium class," he added.

Higher global oil prices are set to raise costs related to transportation and raw materials containing fossil-based substances.

Analysts are concerned the 2009 election will discourage people from buying luxurious goods, including cars, because the once-in-a-five-year event often sends security jitters among the public.

Yuniadi said Mercedes Benz would launch the C 200 and the C 230 for its C Class series, the E 230 for its E Class series, the S 500 for its S Class series and the R 280 for its R Class series.

The C Class and E Class units will be assembled domestically at the Mercedes Benz factory in Wanaherang, Bogor, West Java. The company was previously known as PT DaimlerChrysler Indonesia.

Yuniadi said the market share for C Class was about 57 percent of the compact-size premium category last year, while the share for E Class was about 70 percent of the mid-size category.

The company's S Class secured 77 percent of the full-size premium category last year, he added.

Yuniadi said the total sales of premium cars in 2008 would reach around 4,000 units, with Mercedes Benz expecting to sell 2,400 vehicles this year, up 10.75 percent from 2007.

Last year, the company sold 2,167 units of premium cars, or 63.5 percent of the total market share of 3,415 units.

Its 2007 sales of premium cars increased by 73 percent, or 1,972 units, from 2006.

Mercedes Benz sold 865 units of its C Class series last year, a 145 percent rise from the previous year; 683 units of its E Class series, a 46 percent increase; and 222 units of its S Class series, a 118 percent increase.

In 2006, the company sold only 1,177 vehicles, comprising 355 units of C Class, 468 units of E Class and 102 units of S Class.

Last year, the country's total car sales were 434,449 units, or up by 36.2 percent from the previous year.

Mercedes Benz said last year it would raise production of its domestic plant to about 2,500 units in 2008.

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With an estimated 550 hp, the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V's supercharged 6.2-liter V8 makes 43 hp more than the 6.2-liter V8 of the Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, which is currently the quickest sedan we've ever tested. The CTS-V is dimensionally almost identical to the BMW M5 or E63, but it's heavier, tipping the scales at an estimated 4,200-4,300 pounds. It shouldn't present too much of a problem though, as the CTS-V also develops an estimated 550 lb-ft of torque. Unlike the first-generation CTS-V, the '09 will offer an optional six-speed automatic that includes steering-wheel-mounted shift paddles. Cadillac got rid of the current car's axle hop through the use of asymmetrical half-shafts. Tucked between these shafts is a heavy-duty cast-iron limited-slip differential. The 19-inch forged-aluminum wheels carry 285/35R19 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires, identical in size to the M5's wheel/tire package. Like the BMW, the front tires are 255/40R19s. Brembo supplies brake rotors larger than those of the M5 or E63 (a good thing, since they have more weight to deal with). The slotted and vented rotors are clenched by six-piston calipers up front and four-piston units in the back. The CTS-V comes standard with GM's magnetic ride-control dampers, which can be set in either Tour or Sport modes. Inside, the CTS comes with 14-way adjustable Recaro seats that include pneumatic adjustable bolsters on the bottom and back. A suedelike microfiber material covers the steering wheel, seats and shifter. The center stack and door trim are now shiny black. And the V is the first CTS to be fitted with an electronic parking brake, removing the foot-operated unit.

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With an estimated 550 hp, the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V's supercharged 6.2-liter V8 makes 43 hp more than the 6.2-liter V8 of the Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, which is currently the quickest sedan we've ever tested. The CTS-V is dimensionally almost identical to the BMW M5 or E63, but it's heavier, tipping the scales at an estimated 4,200-4,300 pounds. It shouldn't present too much of a problem though, as the CTS-V also develops an estimated 550 lb-ft of torque. Unlike the first-generation CTS-V, the '09 will offer an optional six-speed automatic that includes steering-wheel-mounted shift paddles. Cadillac got rid of the current car's axle hop through the use of asymmetrical half-shafts. Tucked between these shafts is a heavy-duty cast-iron limited-slip differential. The 19-inch forged-aluminum wheels carry 285/35R19 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires, identical in size to the M5's wheel/tire package. Like the BMW, the front tires are 255/40R19s. Brembo supplies brake rotors larger than those of the M5 or E63 (a good thing, since they have more weight to deal with). The slotted and vented rotors are clenched by six-piston calipers up front and four-piston units in the back. The CTS-V comes standard with GM's magnetic ride-control dampers, which can be set in either Tour or Sport modes. Inside, the CTS comes with 14-way adjustable Recaro seats that include pneumatic adjustable bolsters on the bottom and back. A suedelike microfiber material covers the steering wheel, seats and shifter. The center stack and door trim are now shiny black. And the V is the first CTS to be fitted with an electronic parking brake, removing the foot-operated unit.
Benz should be afraid of the new caddies. They are VERY well built cars. And while Benz has gone through an "adjustment" period where quality suffered significantly, the Caddy quality has been quietly and quickly moving to the top of the charts and staying there for much of the past decade.

I got a 2000 S Class a few months ago because I needed something to tote 6'3" elderly in-laws around as needs required. It has 75K miles on it. I just drove an 2001 DeVille DTS with 90K miles on it for 400 miles. It had precious little work done on it, not "restored" by any means and rode/drove better than the S Class. Fit and finish, and ride quietness were also better. My understanding is the new ones are even much better.

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With an estimated 550 hp, the 2009 Cadillac CTS-V's supercharged 6.2-liter V8 makes 43 hp more than the 6.2-liter V8 of the Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG, which is currently the quickest sedan we've ever tested. The CTS-V is dimensionally almost identical to the BMW M5 or E63, but it's heavier, tipping the scales at an estimated 4,200-4,300 pounds. It shouldn't present too much of a problem though, as the CTS-V also develops an estimated 550 lb-ft of torque. Unlike the first-generation CTS-V, the '09 will offer an optional six-speed automatic that includes steering-wheel-mounted shift paddles. Cadillac got rid of the current car's axle hop through the use of asymmetrical half-shafts. Tucked between these shafts is a heavy-duty cast-iron limited-slip differential. The 19-inch forged-aluminum wheels carry 285/35R19 Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires, identical in size to the M5's wheel/tire package. Like the BMW, the front tires are 255/40R19s. Brembo supplies brake rotors larger than those of the M5 or E63 (a good thing, since they have more weight to deal with). The slotted and vented rotors are clenched by six-piston calipers up front and four-piston units in the back. The CTS-V comes standard with GM's magnetic ride-control dampers, which can be set in either Tour or Sport modes. Inside, the CTS comes with 14-way adjustable Recaro seats that include pneumatic adjustable bolsters on the bottom and back. A suedelike microfiber material covers the steering wheel, seats and shifter. The center stack and door trim are now shiny black. And the V is the first CTS to be fitted with an electronic parking brake, removing the foot-operated unit.
I remember a time when top-end models were things of beauty to be lusted after...not so much these days; either from MB or BMW, and most definitely NOT from the perpetually ugly caddies. That car's the Enzo of four door sedans...blechhhh!
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The CTS rides like a surf board on wheels. It jolts and rocks and throws you up against the door on simple turns. It does have eye appeal on the interior.

For those of you who have not had much experience with the '07 and '08 Mercedes they are miles ahead in quality and reliability.

Mercedes is reducing electronic components into single units often reducing 3 or 4 parts into one simplified unit. The improvement in quality electronic components is a huge benefit.

I don't believe they are "cheapening" the cars. The goal is to attract the younger buyer with lower priced vehicles like the C and the GLK.
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