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Remember New Orleans?
A 500 million dollar contract for debris removal was given to a company in Miami that didn't own a single truck, then the contract was subcontracted to people who actually load debris and haul it away. Emergency roof repairs, what were called 'blue roof jobs,' involved little more than taking down rolls of blue felt on plywood. FEMA provided the felt free. Insider contractors got the jobs for one hundred dollars a square foot and paid the subs two dollar a square foot.
In the meantime , fifty thousand nonunion workers were brought into the city, most of them from the Caribbean, and were paid an average of eight to nine dollars an hour to do the work.
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Lots of blue tarps still in place in NOLA.

Also the formosan termite just loves NOLA wood.

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Post A Thread that speaks to actual Thought!!!

Great job guys, have read this thread and once again I am covienced that there are thinkers on this site.
Just curious, what if anything do you folks think of the Flat Tax proposals being tossed around? Would it be possible to really do away with the IRS?
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Great job guys, have read this thread and once again I am covienced that there are thinkers on this site.
Just curious, what if anything do you folks think of the Flat Tax proposals being tossed around? Would it be possible to really do away with the IRS?
If you think about it the flat tax might not be what some people want specially if they have very generous tax breaks based on the current system. Those same people will argue that a flat tax is not fair to the poor since they don't make much, you know like a diversion flair shot.
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Consumer Taxes is the way to go. National Sales tax of 6% would reap far more revenue than the various complicated tax laws, loop holes and plain outright evasion. The only problem you'd have to deal with, then, is illegal businesses, which local governments are quite adept at. It's never going to happen, though. The IRS is a behemoth that will not go away and there's no use expecting any law makers to expedite their demise.

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Consumer Taxes is the way to go. National Sales tax of 6% would reap far more revenue than the various complicated tax laws, loop holes and plain outright evasion. The only problem you'd have to deal with, then, is illegal businesses, which local governments are quite adept at. It's never going to happen, though. The IRS is a behemoth that will not go away and there's no use expecting any law makers to expedite their demise.
That's a good idea and you pinpointed the pitfall too. Another issue is how will state sales taxation be managed? Will some state still impose income tax? How would inheritance tax be handled once a sales tax is in place? Personally I think we should abolish inheritance tax otherwise what's the purpose of working for our kids? I know many farmers that had to leave their farms because of said tax. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with individual or family wealth accumulation and it's natural. The system as it is is simply a communistic way of wealth redistribution with a fundamental structure that gives power to the government by acquiring said wealth.
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That's a good idea and you pinpointed the pitfall too. Another issue is how will state sales taxation be managed? Will some state still impose income tax? How would inheritance tax be handled once a sales tax is in place? Personally I think we should abolish inheritance tax otherwise what's the purpose of working for our kids? I know many farmers that had to leave their farms because of said tax. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with individual or family wealth accumulation and it's natural. The system as it is is simply a communistic way of wealth redistribution with a fundamental structure that gives power to the government by acquiring said wealth.
^ a flashback from our attempted reprogramming? Who you voting for?

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^ a flashback from our attempted reprogramming? Who you voting for?
I would have gone the Ron Paul way but Obambi is in the cards right now
But then I may not have a choice

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Another example is that we always have some voters who are fiscally conservative, folks who believe that running up debt is a dumb thing to do. So that keeps a spending or charging Congress, or President from just running a tap, unrestrained.
Apparently, that number is in steady decline and has now fallen below 10% nationally (see Ron Paul support).

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I consider it a fair trade to be able to help people who can least afford to help themselves as others have helped to build the Interstate highway system, a multitude of water projects like Hoover Dam to make Vegas come alive or the Infrastructure of our FAA which allows me to conduct business or vacation at will.

I am sure some guy in Buttfuck, Montana bitched about having to pay the dollars in taxes that repaved I-75 that I will be driving to Florida next week. Or the guy in Tight Ass Rhode Island who whined as he wrote his check that made its way to the new tower at Cincy/NoKY International that lets me get to NYC in 105 minutes for $400 round trip.
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