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Glad you brought those up. That is why I put the part about adding to the conversation at the beginning.

I think those three are every bit as significant as any of the list I made up. I only listed that first group to get things started. I will add yours to the list. I have known women who have suffered through domestic violence and sexual assault and both men and women who have been involved in child molestation [though only after one committed suicide].
Yeah, I don't have much in common with the first list, but that second version sure resonates with quite a few of my friends, relatives and acquaintances.
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No big impact on anything I think, though it did confirm my conclusions on the rewards of doing stupid things. The bankruptcy was a relative who spent irresponsibly, and, as Marsden mentioned in his experience, basically got off scott free.
I have known bankruptcies that have gone the scot free route and I have known those who got into a mess, not by their own choosing and it was the ONLY way out. They ended up with nothing but grew out of it over time. I thing the scot free route has finally been shut down at the end of 2006 which is why there were so many fewer filings in 2007, the year that there was an actual need. Irony at its finest.

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specific tangentials would be those actual events/folks that touch you life, as opposed to the abstract philosophical concepts of which you referred.
Oh... "...tangentials..." why didn't you say so.

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The conversation on the Lawyers with herpes and their connections with KY Central was the topic of conversation and humor at lunch. But what it really brought up was a few stories and a realization of the oddities of people on our peripheral who we know that have gone astray or been beyond the edge.

It got me thinking that it would make a great SERIOUS OT topic. We have plenty of Political or humorous topics but this one would provide insight as to just what folks have seen in the world. Now I am not talking about those of us who have seen war or those who have seen celebrities but more like those FRIENDS or close acquaintances who have wandered a bit too far or had circumstance bite them.

Those events by those people also assist in making us who we are and help to frame our perceptions of the world around us.

So I will start with some questions and then in a bit post up a couple of my "links" to those questions. The list of questions is started with some of my own experiences so if there are other questions, let's hear them.

And these would relate to people you KNOW, are acquainted with through work, school or friends or relatives. I wouldn't expect any true confessions.

The Questions
  • Do you know anyone who has been KILLED by murder?
  • Do you know anyone who has KILLED anyone?
  • Do you know anyone killed by a Drunk Driver?
  • Do you know anyone who has KILLED anyone while DUI?
  • Do you know anyone who has had an Abortion?
  • Do you know anyone who has been Federally Indicted/Convicted?
  • Have you ever bailed anyone out of Jail [Felonies only here, not DUIs]?
  • Do you know friends who have filed Bankruptcy?
  • Do you know friends who have been charged/convicted of Embezzlement or other white collar crimes?
  • Do you know anyone personally who has died of AIDS?
  • Do you know anyone who has been a victim of child abuse?
  • Do you know anyone who has been a victim of Domestic Violence?
  • Do you know anyone who has been a victim of Rape/Sexual Assault?



I started with these questions as I have, through life had close friends or good acquaintances who can pretty much answer most of those questions. I know it shapes my world perspective and considering many of them were from the upper levels of society, it does so with a interesting twist.

The floor is open for debate and experiences, not only the answers.
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Edit: Shreveport??? Huh wha???
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I like to keep my numerous enemies off balance as to the precise location of my residence.
Shreveport.

I can't recall the last time I enjoyed going there. A truly memorable event was my pre-induction physical in some cold, ratty upstairs in a dilapidated Texas Street building. I think at that time everybody in Shreveport who wanted to have fun went to the Bossier strip. Mercifully, I haven't to Shreveport/Bossier since the casinos. I did like a restaurant named Merle's. You could eat like a proud redneck in that place! I doubt anybody over 60 ever survived a meal there. Arteries would slam shut out of spite.

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Shreveport.

I can't recall the last time I enjoyed going there. A truly memorable event was my pre-induction physical in some cold, ratty upstairs in a dilapidated Texas Street building. I think at that time everybody in Shreveport who wanted to have fun went to the Bossier strip. Mercifully, I haven't to Shreveport/Bossier since the casinos.
One of my co-workers got robbed at the Texas Avenue Bridge in downtown, while sitting at the traffic light. Then, 2 weeks later, he drags us down Market Street to fish in the Bayou outside of town. The place looked like somewhere you'd dispose of dead bodies and shit.

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And these would relate to people you KNOW, are acquainted with through work, school or friends or relatives. I wouldn't expect any true confessions.

The Questions
  • Do you know anyone who has been KILLED by murder?
  • Do you know anyone who has KILLED anyone?
  • Do you know anyone killed by a Drunk Driver?
  • Do you know anyone who has KILLED anyone while DUI?
  • Do you know anyone who has had an Abortion?
  • Do you know anyone who has been Federally Indicted/Convicted?
  • Have you ever bailed anyone out of Jail [Felonies only here, not DUIs]?

  • Do you know friends who have filed Bankruptcy?
  • Do you know friends who have been charged/convicted of Embezzlement or other white collar crimes?
  • Do you know anyone personally who has died of AIDS?
  • Do you know anyone who has been a victim of child abuse?
  • Do you know anyone who has been a victim of Domestic Violence?
  • Do you know anyone who has been a victim of Rape/Sexual Assault?
Since the title of the thread speaks to "Degrees of separation", I feel compelled to reply as the later posts move west across Louisiana towards Texas along Interstate 10 toward my answers to your questions.

About twenty years ago, two close relatives were en route to Houston with a shortbed Ford pickup load of bedroom furniture for their son to use in his new home. The load shifted and they had to immediately pull off the Interstate onto the shoulder to adjust it. Having been a trucker for years, he left the road completely and moved the truck well into the grass beside the shoulder to avoid the high speed traffic.

Meanwhile, a three time loser had coked himself up that morning and climbed into his well rusted rattletrap IH Scout and started out for Houston a few minutes behind them.

As my relative stood on the rear bumper facing the load, he never saw the Scout veer from the left lane all the way off the road and well off the shoulder. When the Scout hit the pickup almost square in the rear, he was killed immediately as he rolled up the hood and into the windshield. Meanwhile, the passenger in the Ford rebounded from the truck's seat into the dashboard with such force that all of her ribs were crushed and her spleen essentially disintegrated (she spent a MONTH in ICU).

The impact launched the Ford forward and it shot back onto the interstate, traveling nearly a quarter of a mile before coming to rest in the center median. All of the surrounding traffic managed to avoid it as it hurtled along its driverless path so no further loss of life was incurred.

The coke head was uninjured and spent a couple of years in jail before an idiot Texas judge got his fifteen minutes of fame by allowing this murderer out on probation if he promised to visit and place flowers on the grave of my relative every year on the anniversary of his death.

You can imagine the joy that was created in our family by that little turn of events.

Well, that covers the first four questions (in my point of view) and the resulting financial mess we, as a family, were forced to deal with covers the bankruptcy question.

Our efforts to deal with the fallout from that single event has had a direct, daily effect on my life ever since.

Perhaps a bit out of the direction you expected but relevant, nonetheless.

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