Botnst, every international authority, and respected Israeli human rights organizations as well, have taken Israel to task for the indiscriminate way in which it slaughters civilians in its military campaigns. Excellent examples have already been referenced in this thread. (Besides, you know this already.) When you have requested proof, and I have supplied it, as in the discussion of the B'Tselem documents, you simply ignore it. The entire case of Lebanon, you ignore and pretend it wasn't even presented. Examples like this make it clear that you are simply playing internet games and are not interested in conducting a genuine discussion of any kind.
However, you have again (as ever) made it sadly clear that the only casualties which matter to you are Jewish ones. Those are tragic, and worth repeating ad nauseum. For the rest? "War is hell, especially on civilians." But you never say that about the (relatively few) Israeli casualties. An ugly, pernicious form of racism, to say the least.
A "humane war"? Well, that's one which kills only Arabs, of course. Sure, a few thousand Americans may have been killed as well, but who really cares about the goyim? Only God's Chosen People matter in the end.
The "theory" that you've espoused about how U.S. support for Israel is based on its interest in oil supplies? Well I do believe that's the looniest thing you've come up with lately. You were permitted a gracious exit, but characteristically dug your heels in instead. Anyone can see it's the exact opposite of logic. But as such, more palatable than your racist bloodthirst.
Since it's critically important to you to have the "last word" in these discussions, and to save any remaining readers further tedium, I'll quit responding to you in this thread. Moreover, since your style (as in your post above) is quickly reverting to form with a vengeance, further discussion seems futile at best. It's the sort of behavior which causes you to have so many detractors in this forum, and to have been justifiably banned in others. Have fun.
My racist bloodthirst? Are you crazy? Indicate my racism, please. Bloodthirst? Where have I indicated a desire for blood? Okay, I'm all for killing Bin Laden and anybody in his vicinity, I'll give you that one.
If Israel is intentionally targeting civilians I want to know about it. It is wrong and it is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, of which I believe they are signatories. I suggest that you review the responsibilities of the signatories as they clearly protect civilians from military targeting. But civilians are NOT guaranteed protection if belligerents are hiding or garrisoned among the civilians. That is why (for example) in WWII the Americans (and other Allies) bombed and shelled the crap out of a number of French and Italian towns.
You disagree with my theory concerning the initial value to the USA of having Israel in the M.E.? That's fine with me if you disagree. I have no proof that's why I clearly and unambiguously self-labeled it a conspiracy theory. It would take a conspiracy of huge proportion to bring it off but it makes sense, given the historical and contemporaneous geopolitical context. Fine with me if you don't agree with it. Heck, I am not convinced of it. that's why I called it a "theory" and not a "fact". I try to keep those two things separate in my mind and in my postings. Clear?
A humane war is one in which the objectives are attained with the minimum loss of life and property. If all of the losses are on the side of the enemy, that is perfectly okay with me. I cannot recall any time in history when a nation has been defeated so quickly and with so little loss of life and property. Iraq was thoroughly defeated militarily in a matter of a few months.
The occupation has been poorly handled which has resulted in greater loss of life and property than during the war. An awful lot of that loss was NOT due to actions o fthe coalition -- it was internecine or due to external, non-Iraqi fighters entering the country and killing Iraqis (and vice-versa). Recent months have witnessed a dramatic change in that behavior. I am sure we all agree that is a good thing. Just as I am sure we all hope that Iraq's government will do something more than count pencils and bodies -- it's behavior for the past 2 years or so. Finally, I think we also can all agree that the final responsibility for Iraq is up to the Iraqis, not the coalition.