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On Counting Iraqi Deaths

There has been a question by many since Day one regarding Lancet's 650,000 Iraqi deaths since the number deviated from both the WHO numbers [500,000] and the US Military numbers [under 100,000]. Now, we have at least one answer to the question on the Lancet numbers, in that it appears the researcher had a built in bias AND the project was funded by Soros.

While the Right should have a field day with this information [with damned good reason], it still does not answer the WHO numbers which are still much larger than the NEJM figures.

However, if the final number of Iraqi dead ONLY turns out to be 150,000 innocent civilians killed, I suppose that still is too Fn many.

At least we have answers now on the Lancet numbers. THIS is why I detest partisan funded research.

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January 13, 2008
Anti-war Soros funded Iraq study

Brendan Montague

A STUDY that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.

Soros, 77, provided almost half the £50,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.

The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.

New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people - less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate - have died since the invasion in 2003.

“The authors should have disclosed the [Soros] donation and for many people that would have been a disqualifying factor in terms of publishing the research,” said Michael Spagat, economics professor at Royal Holloway, University of London.

The Lancet study was commissioned by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and led by Les Roberts, an associate professor and epidemiologist at Columbia University. He reportedly opposed the war from the outset.

His team surveyed 1,849 homes at 47 sites across Iraq, asking people about births, deaths and migration in their households.

Professor John Tirman of MIT said this weekend that $46,000 (£23,000) of the approximate £50,000 cost of the study had come from Soros’s Open Society Institute.

Roberts said this weekend: “In retrospect, it was probably unwise to have taken money that could have looked like it would result in a political slant. I am adamant this could not have affected the outcome of the research.”

The Lancet did not break any rules by failing to disclose Soros’s sponsorship.

Anti-war Soros funded Iraq study - Times Online

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Thanks for posting that! I was just about to do the same. Frankly, I am not a bit surprised to find Soros' hand in that report. I wonder how many in the drive-by media--who pounced on that study as "proof" of how bad President Bush is--will acknowledge this new information w/ the same gusto they did the Soros report when it came out...

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Thanks for posting that! I was just about to do the same. Frankly, I am not a bit surprised to find Soros' hand in that report. I wonder how many in the drive-by media--who pounced on that study as "proof" of how bad President Bush is--will acknowledge this new information w/ the same gusto they did the Soros report when it came out...
It will be interesting to see. If the Lancet Report were stand alone I think it would be fully pummeled but since the WHO Report is closer to Lancet's numbers than others, there will still be many who look and ask, OK, we have three conflicting datasets with three methodologies. Which methodology is right?

The US always uses WHO [except this time], Lancet came out of the weeds from nowhere to publish their numbers and now NEJM has a report. I guess we should ask who their researchers support. At some point it becomes a circle jerk. Somewhere between 150,000 and 650,000 innocent Iraqis were killed for no really good fundamental reason.

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It will be interesting to see. If the Lancet Report were stand alone I think it would be fully pummeled but since the WHO Report is closer to Lancet's numbers than others, there will still be many who look and ask, OK, we have three conflicting datasets with three methodologies. Which methodology is right?

The US always uses WHO [except this time], Lancet came out of the weeds from nowhere to publish their numbers and now NEJM has a report. I guess we should ask who their researchers support. At some point it becomes a circle jerk. Somewhere between 150,000 and 650,000 innocent Iraqis were killed for no really good fundamental reason.
I don't think it's that hard to figure out who's methodology was designed/motivated to cook the books in an anti-war direction... Does the name Soros ring a bell?

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I don't think it's that hard to figure out who's methodology was designed/motivated to cook the books in an anti-war direction... Does the name Soros ring a bell?
We can assume that but we don't know the methodologies of the LOW counts. The only other one we know is that of WHO and it sort of jibes with the Lancet Report.

Right now there are too many questions, too many methodologies, too many political motives and too many dead bodies.

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There are now somewhere around 500,000 undead Iraqis.

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How do you propose disposing of them
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I think you have that backwards: Since they are undead you undispose of them. And offer them an uncola.

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