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Which BWOT poster had a family member/friend/colleague/etc. try to escape a fire by leaping from a skyscraper window?

I apologize in advance for offending you.
When I was three or four I jumped out from the third floor window of a high rise thinking that I had the same powers as Zorro (true story).
Next week I will be Zorro again at my dance club, its going to be the theme for the next four weeks. I welcome input on scripts I could use to satisfy my crowd or horny ladies.
In essence my belief that I am Zorro has not changed and I wonder what would change my mind?
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Erm, it doesn't matter. Zorro couldn't fly.

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I was not trying to fly but rather jump down and kick some butt. The kids in the street were playing cowboys and Indians and I happened to have my Zorro outfit on (actually I had it on for days).
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In essence my belief that I am Zorro has not changed and I wonder what would change my mind?
Put on your Zorro outfit, climb up on the 2nd or 3rd story of that house you got and jump down.............

Be sure and write a Goodbye, Farewell and Amen thread before you jump..........
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Put on your Zorro outfit, climb up on the 2nd or 3rd story of that house you got and jump down.............

Be sure and write a Goodbye, Farewell and Amen thread before you jump..........

heh, heh......and no holding on to 'gutters' on your way down! heh, heh.......
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Next week I will be Zorro again at my dance club, its going to be the theme for the next four weeks. I welcome input on scripts I could use to satisfy my crowd or horny ladies.
Put a red felt-tip marker on the end of your "sword", and then have the ladies bend over while you place the Mark of Zorro on their asscheeks -- btdt
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I've changed my mind about the importance of being "right", on any topic. I'm far less interested nowadays in convincing people that my line of thinking is the best, and much more interested in challenging others & being challenged with regard to personal beliefs. This has happened relatively quickly really, and most of you here can take credit for this.

I still think it's crucial for a person to hold beliefs without reservation; in short, to be a person of principle. For example, it's perfectly OK for someone to say "I believe in God, because I have faith he exists." However, when that person argues for living a certain way, or argues that others' lack of faith is unacceptable simply because "it says so in <insert your religious text here>", they're going to get a healthy dose of "prove it".

Not because I want to start an argument, or because I want to engage in right-fighting. I just want to separate the wheat from the chaff, and get to what's real...find out whether or not someone believes something in their hearts because they think it's right, or if they believe something just because it provides an ego inflation tool.

I have also changed how I evaluate others (leaders, etc)...I think it's far more important for someone to be genuine than it is for them to do and say the right things.

Now then, I've recognized that I have an exuberant zeal for "getting to what's real", and that this needs to be tamed down. Doing something about it in practice, that's the rub.
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How do you know that another change of heart isn't in the offing?

Are you so certain that you were wrong before?

If you were that wrong before, why can you not be similarly wrong now?

These are the questions that I ask myself rather frequently in my line of work. Being wrong is nothing special. Neither is being right. Discerning which is which, that's the rub.

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Another change might meet me down the path. All it will take is similar compelling evidence and justification. Since I read most sides of most every major discussion in the zeitgeist I always give myself the opportunity to see anything that might come up that is sufficiently compelling to start me looking at a new path.

As for "am I certain that I was wrong before", YES. 50+ years of experience has given me a good sense to understand my thought processes. And since I don't go into a fundamental change lightly, I know that I have given the past concepts more than the benefit of the doubt. I use that annoying Scientific Method taught in Systems Engineering as a guide for pretty much everything.

As for "that wrong", it is not a toggle of black and white. As one ages and gains experience you should establish more criteria to build your foundation of beliefs. So my "that wrong before" was based on my experiences, or lack of them on the subject. Can I be just as wrong now. Possible, but unless a person is guided by extreme outside forces or just lacks a moral compass, age and experience hones opinion to where we tend to be "more right" as we age. It is why most enlightened cultures respect the wisdom of the old and honor their experience while superficial cultures like ours always seem to have each generation that thinks they are the smartest snowflakes ever to touch Earth.

I agree completely on your work, like mine, you nearly always have to start with the premise that you have an idea, now let's shoot holes in it to show where it is wrong. What is left will be better for it. That is healthy and should be done by everyone for both the simple stuff [like designing a network] or the big stuff [like staking a position on immigration].

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Another change might meet me down the path. All it will take is similar compelling evidence and justification. Since I read most sides of most every major discussion in the zeitgeist I always give myself the opportunity to see anything that might come up that is sufficiently compelling to start me looking at a new path.

As for "am I certain that I was wrong before", YES. 50+ years of experience has given me a good sense to understand my thought processes. And since I don't go into a fundamental change lightly, I know that I have given the past concepts more than the benefit of the doubt. I use that annoying Scientific Method taught in Systems Engineering as a guide for pretty much everything.

As for "that wrong", it is not a toggle of black and white. As one ages and gains experience you should establish more criteria to build your foundation of beliefs. So my "that wrong before" was based on my experiences, or lack of them on the subject. Can I be just as wrong now. Possible, but unless a person is guided by extreme outside forces or just lacks a moral compass, age and experience hones opinion to where we tend to be "more right" as we age. It is why most enlightened cultures respect the wisdom of the old and honor their experience while superficial cultures like ours always seem to have each generation that thinks they are the smartest snowflakes ever to touch Earth.

I agree completely on your work, like mine, you nearly always have to start with the premise that you have an idea, now let's shoot holes in it to show where it is wrong. What is left will be better for it. That is healthy and should be done by everyone for both the simple stuff [like designing a network] or the big stuff [like staking a position on immigration].
Beautifully explained.

The biggest problems we are facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all and that’s what I intend to reverse.

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At what age do you get to the point where you don't even have to bother anymore? You just know you're right because you're so old you must know everything, and God damn the whippersnappers who don't show you the proper respect? I know a couple of those...they're old, and they're not right about hardly anything.
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