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what about Camel toes?
My mind is changing already.....
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what about Camel toes?
and I was trying to be all serious and stuff.

What the Hell, I can change my mind.

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This poses a good question. research into this suggest that once an opinion is formed the mind then finds ways to support the decision.

one of the best teachers I had would have open debates in his class. the assignment would be given the week before, handed out to two people. Then told to argue the issue. Now the tricky part is that he would not tell either person which side to argue for until the next week, forcing you to be ready to discuss either side. I have never forgot that lesson and it has made me a more open minded person.
No it didn't.

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Three subjects that I have had a pretty drastic change of mind about over the past years are:

War. I fully understand that there are times to go to war but after experience in both Viet Nam and as an officer in the midst of the bureaucracy of the Military I no longer believe that a country can go to war as a extension of a National Policy. It is one of the primary reasons I left the Air Force with 15 Active, 10 Reserve. I no longer wanted to be a part of that system.

Debt and Poverty. When I was getting my Masters in Economics I was taught, along with most others that debt and poverty are the result of poor discipline, inability to understand the ramifications of debt or simple laziness. Now I grew up in an area that has always been a center of poverty so some of this did not necessarily fit with what I grew up with but I rationalized that it was because I was too close to the problems and did not see it clearly. After I got out of the Military and started doing volunteer work back in the mountains I realized that my understandings and believes were wrong and much of what was happening was highly situational and not the fault of those in the area. Two decades of research has proven that this change of mind and belief has been correct.

Immigration. Like many my original inclination was that we had 20 million unwelcome visitors here and the solution was simply to send their ass back across the border. I lacked comfort with the belief on the simple though that it was "not fair to them" but in the big picture I understood that it was a better good if they were gone. BWOT came along on this discussion and many, many threads later I was, as I posted many times completely up in the air about it as the true solution seemed too complex to broad brush.

My trip to California in October answered my questions and provided a 180 turnaround for me on the subject. As I flew over square mile after square mile of this country's breadbasket, full of crops that can only be picked by hand I realized that there is an economy that cannot exist without many of these folks. Further I talked with an ancient friend who is with UC Davis who deals primarily with migrants and from that I got an understanding that even thought the COST of the illegals is HIGH, their contributions are HIGHER in the economy.

So there are three examples of 180 degree turnarounds. One from 1986 and a career changing decision, one that affects my every day now and the third change which came about, pretty much through dialog from this forum.

Excellent topic, by the way.
How do you know that another change of heart isn't in the offing?

Are you so certain that you were wrong before?

If you were that wrong before, why can you not be similarly wrong now?

These are the questions that I ask myself rather frequently in my line of work. Being wrong is nothing special. Neither is being right. Discerning which is which, that's the rub.

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No it didn't.

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Can you imagine if I had not have any lessons
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Can you imagine if I had not have any lessons
I know exactly what you mean!
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Did you come here for an argument?

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I love change, life gets damn boring without it. Points of view are so tiring when one only supports something that benefits the speaker.
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I love change, life gets damn boring without it. Points of view are so tiring when one only supports something that benefits the speaker.
Small changes is what we really wish for. Few of us welcome big changes.

It's like when we get all pissed-off about politics and wish for a revolution to cleanse things. What we really mean is we want a small, manageable revolution that would benefit our point of view. But revolutions have never behaved according to everybody's plan. It only benefits the winners -- everybody else is a loser. In most revolutions through history (whether successful or not) most people lose in the first generation. Sometimes in subsequent generations, too. History is the story of human expectations and hopes for subsequent generations followed by the hard reality of human misery.

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