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Indonesia's Islamic future

Indonesia's Islamic future
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Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, is known as being one of the most moderate countries in terms of its adoption of Islamic practices.

Increasingly, however, a number of radical Islamic groups are saying that Indonesia's secular system is no longer able to cope with widespread corruption and poverty.

Groups such as Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia are calling for the establishment of a caliphate as the only solution.

Mirza Satriawan, a leading member of the group, tells 101 East why Indonesia's present political system is not working.

Yenny Wahid, the general secretary of the National Awakening Party (PKB), argues that it is better to keep religion and politics separate.

Watch part one of this episode of 101 East on YouTube

Watch part two of this episode of 101 East on YouTube

This episode of 101 East aired from Thursday, December 27, 2007 at 14:30GMT


Pic: Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir served 25 months for his involvement in the 2002 Bali bombings [Getty]
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Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, is known as being one of the most moderate countries in terms of its adoption of Islamic practices.

Increasingly, however, a number of radical Islamic groups are saying that Indonesia's secular system is no longer able to cope with widespread corruption and poverty.

Groups such as Hizbut Tahrir Indonesia are calling for the establishment of a caliphate as the only solution.




Pic: Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir served 25 months for his involvement in the 2002 Bali bombings [Getty]
How people think terrorist bombings like that will convince people to change their mind and attitudes to a more sympathetic view towards those sharing religious beliefs with the bombers, is something that UTTERLY eludes me.

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Jerkpat, I advice starting work on plan B.
Does not look good.
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The age of information is scary. Hope we get through this backlash sooner rather than later.
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Jerkpat, I advice starting work on plan B.
Does not look good.
Do you guys think that that 500 corrupt asshole members of parliment and the Ministers that control them are going to walk away easy without putting up a fight? They will not give up their rice bowl so easy and they have the military at their beck and call as the military has a huge amount of private income to loose as well.....
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Corruption is not limited to islamic countries

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True you guys have a bad case of it as well but at least with some you take out behind the woodshed and put a bullet thru their fucking head, here they worship you as you were smarter than the rest.......
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True you guys have a bad case of it as well but at least with some you take out behind the woodshed and put a bullet thru their fucking head, here they worship you as you were smarter than the rest.......
You know, they shoot corrupt officials to protect Senior corrupt officals, but its the same corrupt culture as your adopted home. When a senior corrupt official is sussed out, then he gets the death sentence with a one year reprieve and the poor suckers below him get life In other words its OK to be corrupt but dont get a knife in your back. A little money avoids this situation - we have a circle.

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Do you guys think that that 500 corrupt asshole members of parliment and the Ministers that control them are going to walk away easy without putting up a fight? They will not give up their rice bowl so easy and they have the military at their beck and call as the military has a huge amount of private income to loose as well.....
No matter. It is going to be a battlefield and people like you will
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