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^^^^Every game played with players that had gained an unfari advantage over their oppenent. Think of it this way, if they only withdrew Bonds many home runs and RBI's then how many games would his team had come up short on runs and lost then multiply that by all players that took the roids and that gained an unfair advantage when hitting home runs and RBI's.......could very well be the down fall of an American past time, no wonder all of you baseball fanatics are fighting this argument so hard here and cannot see any parrellel between the 2 situations........

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Name one game, the teams involved, and suggest the penalty. You've named Barry Bonds, so are you suggesting that the SF Giants be penalized for cheating in one game, in more than one game? Which teams should be given victories for the forfeitures you suggest? Can you name the victims and the dates? After all, that is the subject you have embarked upon -- the enforcement of a fair penalty upon a team for gaining an unfair advantage over another team. All this ethereal gobbletygook you keep spewing is meaningless. You cannot suggest that teams randomly forfeit games to other teams based upon some wild hunch. You must provide details, like specific teams, specific players, specific dates, the precise advantage gained, and provide substantial evidence to back your assertions. We can then take your specific allegations to Mr. Selig.

Then tell us why you find it perfectly fine for football players to use performance-enhancing drugs and not baseball players.

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^^^You continue to make reference to football players using steroids, plasename all of the football players named in the congressional ordered probe in players taking steroids in the NFL...........
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Name one game, the teams involved, and suggest the penalty. You've named Barry Bonds, so are you suggesting that the SF Giants be penalized for cheating in one game, in more than one game? Which teams should be given victories for the forfeitures you suggest? Can you name the victims and the dates? After all, that is the subject you have embarked upon -- the enforcement of a fair penalty upon a team for gaining an unfair advantage over another team. All this ethereal gobbletygook you keep spewing is meaningless. You cannot suggest that teams randomly forfeit games to other teams based upon some wild hunch. You must provide details, like specific teams, specific players, specific dates, the precise advantage gained, and provide substantial evidence to back your assertions. We can then take your specific allegations to Mr. Selig.

Then tell us why you find it perfectly fine for football players to use performance-enhancing drugs and not baseball players.
We'll all be waiting with bated breath for you to further your argument with greater clarity by responding to these simple questions.

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Jose has some more names for the infamous List..........

Canseco sequel to steroid tale 'Juiced' to arrive in stores on opening day 2008


NEW YORK (AP) — One-time big league slugger Jose Canseco will name more names in a sequel to his 2005 steroid memoir "Juiced," according to published reports Sunday.
The new book, with the working title "Vindicated," will arrive in bookstores on opening day 2008, Canseco's lawyer Robert Saunooke told the New York Post and the Daily News.

Saunooke said the book would accuse ballplayers not named in former Sen. George Mitchell's report of using performance-enhancing drugs.

"We had hoped that the Mitchell Report would have been more revealing," Saunooke said. "It basically ended up being nothing more than (Mitchell saying), 'I talked to a lot of people, some wouldn't talk to me and it's up to the commissioner."'

Canseco tried to get into the Dec. 13 New York news conference where the Mitchell Report was released, but was barred by Major League Baseball officials who said it was a "media only" event.

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He later told Fox Business Network, "I saw the list of players, and there are definitely a lot of players missing."

Saunooke would not say which current or former major leaguers would be identified as steroid users in the new book.

The book will be co-written by former Sports Illustrated reporter Don Yaeger; the Post said the publisher would be Penguin Books.

Canseco was one of the first ballplayers to admit using steroids in "Juiced." There, he gave specific names of other players who allegedly used, including former Oakland A's teammate Mark McGwire. McGwire has denied using steroids.

Canseco sequel to steroid tale 'Juiced' to arrive in stores on opening day 2008 - USATODAY.com
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