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Were they or were they not caught cheating during one of these victories?

I hate the fucking Pats but using steroids are considered cheating as well, so why did we not hear this same outcry from you about the all teams with users forfiet all of the games of the past 3 or 4 baseball seasons that had users of steroids on them............
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^ Duh.

So every team in baseball went 0 - 162 for the past 15 years, right? What about other sports? Steroids are OK in football, right?

Allow me to reiterate. Duh.

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Sorry but you cannot have your cake and eat it too. You set the overall rule on post 3, would you not agree what is good for the goose is good for the gander?
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....using steroids are considered cheating as well....forfiet all of the games of the past 3 or 4 baseball seasons that had users of steroids on them............
Because the Commisar, with the implied approval of the owner's blind eye, declined to pursue any sort of league sanctions for the use of illicit performance enhancing substances. Steroids and the like were in fact against the law, but Major League owners opted for profit over accountability. Seems to be a fucking recurring theme, don't it?
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Because the Commisar, with the implied approval of the owner's blind eye, declined to pursue any sort of league sanctions for the use of illicit performance enhancing substances. Steroids and the like were in fact against the law, but Major League owners opted for profit over accountability. Seems to be a fucking recurring theme, don't it?
Damn another mind reader has entered our midst, please tell us when you received ESP signals from the Baseball Commissioner and the Owners of the various teams that they decided to look the the other way to illegal drug usage.........

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Damn another mind reader has entered our midst, please tell us when you received ESP signals from the Baseball Commissioner and the Owners of the various teams that they decided to look the the other way to illegal drug usage.........
September 7th, 1998 would be my guess.


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I hate the fucking Pats but using steroids are considered cheating as well, so why did we not hear this same outcry from you about the all teams with users forfiet all of the games of the past 3 or 4 baseball seasons that had users of steroids on them............
Steroid use is a personal choice by an individual player to enhance his own performance in order to maintain or improve his position with his team in his sport.

Videotaping and/or televising the signals of another team to a coach or coaches in order to make better informed decisions regarding defensive packages is an organizational effort to gain an unfair advantage.

That's the largest difference that I see between the two.

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^^^^^Yes steroid usage is a personal choice but just like filmng your opponent you are doing it to gain an unfair advantage against your opponent and the penalty should be the same. If there is only the diference you point out between the 2 then why are steroids banned from usage?
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Well, first, I said largest, not only.

Steroids not only give you an advantage against the other teams when you play, it also gives you an unfair advantage against those who might be competing for your position on your own team. You are acting to the detriment of the team by standing in the way of a more naturally talented, stronger, younger, less injured or whatever player from taking the position you can keep only by cheating.

What the Patriots did was to make a dedicated effort to gain an unfair advantage as a team. When the dishonesty starts at the top, then the entire effort is corrupted even though not everyone in the organization is aware or a participant. The brush paints everyone.

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^^^^^I disagree, the person taking steroids is not only doing himself a disservice but as well influencing his team mates to do the same disservice.

The team was fined as a team but then everyone knows only the asst. and coach were responsible for the filming.

Either way you look at it the actions on the individual hurt the teams in each sport so if GermanStar wants a penalty for one (see post 3) we should get the same penalty for all.

If you consider both incidents fairly, you could use this statement for both incidents.......

"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," commissioner Roger Goodell wrote.

As for the football filming I think the article below says it all and why any God fearing American hate the Pats.......

Patriots sell Jets game film to Iran

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