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Fox doesn't claim "objectivity". No one is objective in the news media. But they do practice "fair and balanced" by having guests from both sides of an issue in split screen mode. Their methods are validated by most of their news programs having viewership of all their cable competitors combined.

Or did you have another measure of "public conclusions"???
Let's see, they don't claim objectivity but advertise "Fair and Balanced". I think you need to both get a dictionary AND watch their self-aggrandizing advertisements. You might learn something.

Regards your second comment. The CABLE news market is broken into an interesting break as there is no "news hour" to matchup directly with Broadcast. Here are Fridays numbers for Cable and Broadcast News:

Primetime____________Total Viewers
FNC_________________1,525,000
CNN__________________868,000
MSNBC________________477,000
HLN___________________406,000
CNBC__________________322,000

NBC__________________9,300,000
ABC__________________8,860,000
CBS__________________6,820,000

So while Fox might be a Cable heavyweight at 1.5M to CNN's 1.274M, it is a lightweight next to the Big Three.



And here is a good little article to show how the ratings that are touted by some networks are not always what they seem. While the article is a couple of years old, the science and methodology of the ratings gathering industry is the same.
The Ratings Mirage

Broadcast ratings numbers by Nielsen, Cable number by InsideCable/Nielsen.

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In regard to foreign policy, Dr. Paul's views highlight the divergence between Republican and conservative ideals. There is nothing conservative about global hegemony and imperialism, yet the GOP currently embraces and fiercely promotes such a position. In regard to social issues, his position highlights the distinction between true conservatism and social conservatism.
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So you are going to now assert that "global hegemony and imperialism" is a liberal policy? That should take Moveon.org and the Democrats by surprise.
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Now this is too funny. Bottomline absolutely doesn't get the point of GS's post and J gives bottomline's thundering miss a thumbs up.

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I think public conclusions on the validity of Fox News' claims of objectivity are already well formed.
Why yes you are correct, seems you have finally defected from the screaming Libs...........

The Scoreboard: Tuesday, Dec. 25
25-54 demographic: (L +SD)

Total day: FNC: 142 | CNN: 114 | MSNBC: 137 | HLN: 84

Prime: FNC: 165 | CNN: 122 | MSNBC: 204 | HLN: 107
5p: 6p: 7p: 8p: 9p: 10p: 11p:

FNC O'Reilly: Hume: Shep.: O'Reilly: O'Reilly: O'Reilly: O'Reilly:
90 133 170 179 176 140 199

CNN Heroes: Cont.: Cont.: PlanetI: Cont.: PlanetII Cont.:
64 -- -- 93 -- 187 --

MSNBC Crime&Pun.: Crime&Pun.: Crime&Pun.: Crime&Pun.: Crime&Pun.: Crime&Pun.: Crime&Pun.:
170 180 183 243 169 199 258

HLN Prime: Prime: Beck: Grace: Beck: Grace: Showbiz:
55 119 117 140 54 135 137


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The Scoreboard: Monday, Dec. 24
25-54 demographic: (L +SD)

Total day: FNC: 143 | CNN: 117 | MSNBC: 107 | HLN: 87

Prime: FNC: 134 | CNN: 122 | MSNBC: 104 | HLN: 64
5p: 6p: 7p: 8p: 9p: 10p: 11p:

FNC UnderGod: Hume: Shep: O'Reilly: RickWarren: Jesus: O'Reilly:
130 182 141 166 124 113 102

CNN Blitzer: Blitzer: Dobbs: WWJesusDo: King: Impact: SpInvest.:
189 168 190 134 154 78 44

MSNBC Investig.: Special: Special: Investig.: Special: Special: Investig.:
128 107 97 109 102 99 205

HLN Prime: Prime: Beck: Grace: Beck: Grace: Showbiz:
92 63 46 74 22 100 144

The Scoreboard: Monday, Dec. 24
25-54 demographic: (L +SD)

Total day: FNC: 143 | CNN: 117 | MSNBC: 107 | HLN: 87

Prime: FNC: 134 | CNN: 122 | MSNBC: 104 | HLN: 64
5p: 6p: 7p: 8p: 9p: 10p: 11p:

FNC UnderGod: Hume: Shep: O'Reilly: RickWarren: Jesus: O'Reilly:
130 182 141 166 124 113 102

CNN Blitzer: Blitzer: Dobbs: WWJesusDo: King: Impact: SpInvest.:
189 168 190 134 154 78 44

MSNBC Investig.: Special: Special: Investig.: Special: Special: Investig.:
128 107 97 109 102 99 205

HLN Prime: Prime: Beck: Grace: Beck: Grace: Showbiz:
92 63 46 74 22 100 144



Total Viewers: (L +SD)

Total day: FNC: 563 | CNN: 349 | MSNBC: 254 | HLN: 203

Prime: FNC: 664 | CNN: 392 | MSNBC: 257 | HLN: 201
5p: 6p: 7p: 8p: 9p: 10p: 11p:

FNC UnderGod: Hume: Shep: O'Reilly: RickWarren: Jesus: O'Reilly:
585 700 723 852 639 500 436

CNN Blitzer: Blitzer: Dobbs: WWJesusDo: King: Impact: SpInvest.:
499 461 396 399 482 356 278

MSNBC Investig.: Special: Special: Investig.: Special: Special: Investig.:
285 236 274 260 263 250 370

HLN Prime: Prime: Beck: Grace: Beck: Grace: Showbiz:
207 182 154 270 153 189 265
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Paul's only chance at being elected is as a third party candidate. I truly think the only reason he is running as a Republican is to expose the GOP for what it is, a big huge fucking mess. Paul is just another foot kicking in the old rotted timber. It's a good strategy - as fiscal conservatives and civil libertarians in the GOP see the party crumbling, they will look for a new home in the Libertarian Party, while the old GOP becomes some sort of irrelevant religious party for the Southern Baptist and Mormon kooks to fight over, ah, you know, like the Iowa Caucus has degenerated to.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Paul's only chance at being elected is as a third party candidate. I truly think the only reason he is running as a Republican is to expose the GOP for what it is, a big huge fucking mess. Paul is just another foot kicking in the old rotted timber. It's a good strategy - as fiscal conservatives and civil libertarians in the GOP see the party crumbling, they will look for a new home in the Libertarian Party, while the old GOP becomes some sort of irrelevant religious party for the Southern Baptist and Mormon kooks to fight over, ah, you know, like the Iowa Caucus has degenerated to.
And that is "slim and none". By doing so, he can only elect a liberal Democrat and as a result, accomplish even less of what he wants.

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You know, I leave for ONE DAY and this is what happens.

From one of two folks that check these things out and keep things "fair and balanced".

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The Center for Media and Public Affairs was founded in the mid 1980s by S. Robert Lichter and Linda Lichter [2]. According to Salon.com, "the seed money for [the] center was solicited by the likes of Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson"

CMPA's claim to be 'non-partisan' is undermined by an analysis of its sources of funding. Information provided by mediatransparency.org [4] reveals that the overwhelming proportion of CMPA's funding comes from conservative foundations. The funding information, covering 1986-2002, lists the following donors:

* Carthage Foundation, part of the Scaife Foundations - $267,000 from 5 donations
* Earhart Foundation
* John M. Olin Foundation - $730,000 from 15 donations
* Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation
* Sarah Scaife Foundation, part of the Scaife Foundations - $760,000 from 9 donations
* Smith Richardson Foundation - $416,916 from 3 donations

Thus, out of the total of $2,523,916, nearly all of it ($2,173,916) came from just three sources: the John M. Olin, Scaife, and Smith Richardson foundations. In other words, CMPA received 86% of its funding from those 3 donors. Here is a sample of other right-wing causes funded by these 3 donors, as listed by their respective SourceWatch articles:

* John M. Olin Foundation - American Enterprise Institute, Project for the New American Century
* Scaife Foundations - American Enterprise Institute, Heritage Foundation
* Smith Richardson Foundation - American Enterprise Institute, Hudson Institute

According to Salon journalist Joe Conason, the availability of this information does not indicate an openness on the part of the Center for Media and Public Affairs. In a Jan 2003 exchange of views with Lichter, Conason said "The IRS form 990 returns filed by [Lichter's] center redacts the names of all the individuals and organizations that contribute to it, thereby concealing them from public scrutiny. But the watchdogs at Media Transparency have collated the 990 returns filed by the conservative foundations, which disclose their contributions to Lichter's outfit." [5]

As at August 2004, the CMPA website contains no information about the Center's sources of funding.

[url=http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Media_and_Public_Affair s]Center for Media and Public Affairs - SourceWatch[/url]
McBare: To keep to your high standards about following the money trail, you are now obligated to inform as to the source of funding for Salon.com, Media Transparency and SourceWatch. Why don't you toss in Media Matters while you're at it?

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McBare: To keep to your high standards about following the money trail, you are now obligated to inform as to the source of funding for Salon.com, Media Transparency and SourceWatch. Why don't you toss in Media Matters while you're at it?
You have a computer, look em up.

Media Matters is not all that significant of a source as they tend to be a news aggregate. Salon is a magazine that did an article that was referenced in the report. So with those two references, I would actually peak into the sources of the authors rather than the publications.

Now Media Transparency and SourceWatch, they are the one's doing the funding and linking research. Look em up. See what you find.

Hint. Media Transparency makes no bones about it. It researches conservative BS to keep it honest. But note, the FACTS regarding funding are dead accurate.

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Why am I not surprised at your stonewalling on your own sources....

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Why am I not surprised at your stonewalling on your own sources....
We seemed to be typing at the same time. I am not stonewalling. I am just not your secretary. You want information, you look up your own information.

Very typical, unable to substantiate your own position so you want someone else to do the work. Nice.

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If Goldwater were alive today, he could look in a mirror and see Ron Paul in his reflection. Their main point of contention would probably be pro-choice (Goldwater) vs. anti-abortion (Paul).

You may enjoy this: Amazon.com: Mr. Conservative: Goldwater on Goldwater: DVD
And I'm sure you think you see Superman when you look in a mirror, but that does not make it so...

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