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Very true – Glocks may be the best gun ever made but I’ll never own one of the butt-ugly things. XDs and HKs are pretty nasty looking as well.

Colt 1911 is the way to go – Government models for the range and the Defender for carry.
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Never happen. If he knows what he's doing, there's a round in the chamber, hammer cocked and safety engaged. That's the proper way to carry a 1911 (Browning P35 or SIG P210).
I agree but some folks still don't like having one in the pipe in condition 2 or 1. And if you practice correctly the act of draw/rack is, in itself a self defense tool.

When I taught CC classes I would have to address this for those who were not comfortable with correct carry of a semi-auto. Usually I would move them to a revolver.

Like Bruce said a revolver is the single best defense weapon. It is simple, it is "point and click" and with six rounds it is all anyone with defense requirements is going to need [If you think you can move through 2-3 clips with bad guys you are in over your head]. And as a bonus, IF you have to use it, and have to go to court, it looks like "grandpa's old gun" not "50Cent's piece".

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... if you practice correctly the act of draw/rack is, in itself a self defense tool....
I can't really agree with you there. It's true that one can draw and rack the weapon very quickly, Israeli fashion, with practice. The problem is that it takes two hands. When the balloon goes up one can't necessarily count on having both hands available. I'm a firm believer in the proposition that one needs to be able to put his defensive weapon into play quickly with one hand.

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... a revolver is the single best defense weapon. It is simple, it is "point and click" and with six rounds it is all anyone with defense requirements is going to need ...
Agreed, at least for someone who may be uncomfortable carrying something like a 1911 in condition 1 (loaded chamber, hammer cocked, safety engaged). I personally like revolvers, but I don't shoot them as well as a 1911 or my H&K P7M8.


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I can't really agree with you there. It's true that one can draw and rack the weapon very quickly, Israeli fashion, with practice. The problem is that it takes two hands. When the balloon goes up one can't necessarily count on having both hands available. I'm a firm believer in the proposition that one needs to be able to put his defensive weapon into play quickly with one hand.
I think the real problem with almost any handgun is the fact that few people have:
(1) a clue as to where and when they can /should use it.
(2) practice with it often enough to be conversant and accurate.
Owning one (or ten) is one thing , being able to point, shoot, and hit what you are aiming at is something all together different. I’ve wanted a 1911 for as far back as I can remember, I finally was able to buy one, and now I have a few. Problem is although I love the damn things, they are a PITA to shoot accurately (at least for me), I do best with a .357 Ruger GP 101.

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Agreed, at least for someone who may be uncomfortable carrying something like a 1911 in condition 1 (loaded chamber, hammer cocked, safety engaged). I personally like revolvers, but I don't shoot them as well as a 1911 or my H&K P7M8.

Bottom line is that you have to go look for a handgun that fits your hand, and is comfortable for you, not what you think you want because some gangbanger on TV has one. My Brother-in-Law lived near a Smith & Wesson store when they were open a few years back. He HAD TO HAVE a gun, didn’t have a clue, and refused to ask anybody for help. He ended up with a S&W Model 686 in .357 Mag. with a 6” bbl, probably one of the best revolvers made. He also bought a S&W Sigma autoloader, in 9mm, probably one of the worst autoloaders made in recent history. The worst part of the deal is that he paid full boat for both guns.
I took him to a local range and tried to teach him how to shoot, and he didn’t do too bad, that was three years ago, and the last time he had the guns out. The point in his case is, why bother? If you don’t want to learn how to use a tool, then don’t buy the damn thing……….

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I bought the Mrs a Baretta TomCat 32. Keeps a round chambered and has the hammer so she doesn't have to mess with the slide. High velocity, hollow points. My colt trooper 357 revolver works fine for me, but scares the crap out of the Mrs.

I would rather her have a smaller caliber that she will shoot over and over when she needs it, instead of a bigger recoil that she would only pull the trigger one time.

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The problem with the smaller calibers, the .25's and 32's is that in a lot of cases all they do is annoy the hell out of the bad guys, and those hopped up on drugs (even the new .32 Magnum). They require good to excellent placement in order to stop an attack. Lots and lots were manufactured between the First and Second wars in Europe, some were well made some not so good, the same holds true today.
See if your Mrs. can handle the Trooper with .38 Special wadcutters, that's about as light a load as you can buy, and reloads are cheap so practice doesn't cost an arm and a leg... Lots of encouragement and support often help, keep the heavy loads for home defense.
I still like a shotgun for home protection, nothing like racking a pump to get a bad guy to reconsider his position. Less chance of hurting someone else next door through over penitration as well..........

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I am still waiting for a hard on while reading this thread... waiting, waiting...
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I am still waiting for a hard on while reading this thread... waiting, waiting...
I think you will have to wait. This is bench racing with a twist. It also happens with new HDTV, Home Entertainment Centers, Cameras and Computers [though not so much here].

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