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In my office it's know as OT. Operator Trouble. I agree 100% on setup and implementation being critical to the stability of your LAN/WAN and the PC's operating on it. Needing to connect to the business world that my company exists in pretty much dictates PC's with CAD, Office suite software, and a few other third party apps that do not play well with Macs.
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I keep asking myself that and it is getting ready to change since I just fired my two guys in the Restoration shop as they seemed more interested in "restoring" their off road trucks and mudders.

As for systems, I was a Systems Architect for IBM and others for about 15 years after leaving the Systems Management work in the Air Force. My SA work was in the Media and Entertainment industry.

I designed and implemented enterprise level computer systems for folks like Ogilvy & Mather, CNN, Warner Bros, SkyNet, ViaCom, MTV, Martha Stewart and others. O&M, CNN and WB were full Enterprise systems [O&M and CNN both worldwide] and CNN was their Digital Newsroom. The systems range from IBM3090s to Palm Treos.

I only do design review and proof of performance analysis for other SAs now, not implementation.
Most people don't do anything close to work on computer systems. Most people do word processing, data entry, web surfing, email and games. To do those things people want an appliance -- something that they can plug in and do the job. Anything else and everything else is a burden. People do not want to set-up drivers, firewalls, vermin-detecting programs, passwords, and ethernet cabling.

The result is that most people's computer systems are sub-optimal for performance and vulnerable to malware. Whose fault is that?

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update Those who surf the Web using a Mac tend to be better educated and make more money than their PC-using counterparts, according to a report from Nielsen/NetRatings.

The study also said Mac users tend to be more Web savvy, with more than half having been online for at least five years. And the Mac faithful are 58 percent more likely than the overall online population to build their own Web page and also slightly more likely to buy goods online, according to the report.

"With above-average household income and education levels, the Mac population presents a very attractive target for marketers, both online and offline," the research group said.

TS Kelly, director and principal analyst at NetRatings, said that his company decided to publish the study after noticing the differences between the demographics of Mac owners compared with overall PC owners. Kelly said Apple Computer is a client, but he said Apple did not commission the study nor was it made aware of the results prior to the report's publication.

Kelly said the greater affluence and education level of those who surf using a Mac is attributable in part to the company's comparatively pricier machines, as well as to their perception as a status symbol and their greater market share among those in the publishing and design industries.

"Any time you lower a price point you always see a broadening of the audience that is probable to buy it," Kelly said.

"Apple customers may be educated, but our customers are smart enough to have chosen Gateway, which offers the best value," said Brad Williams, a spokesman for the PC maker.

Apple has been aggressively targeting PC owners in its latest ad campaign.

Although Apple sales typically represent less than 5 percent of the overall U.S. personal computer market, 8.2 percent of Americans who surf the Web at home do so using a Mac, according to the study. Nearly all the rest of those who go online--89.4 percent--do so using a Windows-based PC (2002 numbers).

Nielsen/NetRatings said that 70.2 percent of Mac users online have a college degree, compared with 54.2 percent of all Web surfers. That, combined with their longer surfing histories and their greater willingness to buy products via the Web, makes Mac consumers a prime catch for marketers, Kelly said.

"In many cases that is a market advertisers are looking at when they are promoting new products or upscale products," Kelly said.

A representative for PC maker Dell noted that it doesn't seem to be lacking for customers and that half of those customers buy their PCs over the Web--a sign that Windows users are also adept online.

The study notes that although there are clear benefits to marketing to Mac owners, it can be tough to target them specifically.

Once upon a time, marketers could target personal computer users as a whole to reach a more-educated, higher-income base, however the demographics of those with a personal computer have become more similar to the demographics of the overall population as personal computer penetration has grown. Kelly said advertisers can still reach upscale crowds in other ways, such as targeting those who have a broadband connection.
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So, I guess what ol' Ian is saying, you PC users don't make enough money to afford a Mac. Bwaaaahahahahahaha!
Have you ever heard of Methuselah? That article pre-dates him! Just like so much other silliness in the Mac world your hot article was published on July 12, 2002--over five years ago! And it is about as inaccruate as it out-of-date...

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Most people don't do anything close to work on computer systems. Most people do word processing, data entry, web surfing, email and games. To do those things people want an appliance -- something that they can plug in and do the job. Anything else and everything else is a burden. People do not want to set-up drivers, firewalls, vermin-detecting programs, passwords, and ethernet cabling.

The result is that most people's computer systems are sub-optimal for performance and vulnerable to malware. Whose fault is that?

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I agree completely. MOST systems do word processing and spreadsheets and email, period. And they should be treated as appliances. That's how they were designed. Most of the malware issues are caused by users who have changed their configurations, had their "expert" neighbor change things, bought the 20# Secrets book to become an expert themselves or just wandered through porn sites or downloaded shareware and freeware that has not been tested for bugs and compatibility.

For the home user, unless you buy your computer out of someone's trunk [or got the "greatest deal in the world" firesale model] you don't have to set-up drivers, firewall, virus protectors, passwords or anything, just hook to either the phone line and its annoyances or the cable and its annoyances and you are done. Everything else is toggled on from the factory for automatic update and medium security.

For the office/corporate user it is a bit more complicated as there is a need to work through a myriad of servers, hubs and gateways to insure all applications are shaking hands. But that is transparent to the end user IF the end user doesn't try dicking with the machine to "make it like the home box" or if the IT kids don't know how to correctly configure their networks [and that is whether you are a mac or pc network].

One thing I have noticed about PC users that is different than Mac users that I think makes some of the difference. Mac has very limited price choices, you have only a few price choices to make. With PC you have thousands of possible price variables for systems from $399 basic systems to $4000 gaming monsters. With that variety price points and quantity of vendors, with thousands of subsystem variables I can see where it is entirely possible to introduce calamity into the system in you are not careful. Therein may lie the crux of the problem you suggest. If so, that would not be software or OS.

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To me, the fault lies with the company that makes the stuff. It seems to me that if what people want is an appliance then that's what a savvy mfr would strive to produce. Make the dang thing work out of the box and configure itself to the peripherals and LAN or whatever. RAM is cheap. Disk space is cheap. Processors have huge computational power. What we lack is human brain power to write the code to "intelligently" self-configure.

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To me, the fault lies with the company that makes the stuff. It seems to me that if what people want is an appliance then that's what a savvy mfr would strive to produce. Make the dang thing work out of the box and configure itself to the peripherals and LAN or whatever. RAM is cheap. Disk space is cheap. Processors have huge computational power. What we lack is human brain power to write the code to "intelligently" self-configure.
If you look at the big name boxes, they are very good at self configuration. Most [Sony, Dell, IBM, eMachine, HP] have automatic config utilities that are set at factory that address all the initial components. They also address software parameters that are likely to be seen.

Then you have the OS. From the factory [loaded from say Sony or HP] it is optimized for that CPU, memory, video card, HDD, sound card, etc. It has a full image backup and enough hidden drivers to accept damned near any name brand component that you might want to plug into it [scanner, printer, camera, Palm, TV, network, usb hub, etc].

The problem comes from two sources. The small companies that try to compete with Logitech and Linksys type companies with cheaper, third world components and [usually] "borrowed" designs. They are not tested for compatibility and the drivers are not robust. If they only had three processors or bus designs to design too, like a mac the problem would be less but there are 47 motherboards and 25 processors that are considered "current". MOST work well.

The other problem is the end user who sometimes buys the cheapest thing, assuming it is "just as good" as the 10X counterpart, not understanding one had $millions in R&D and pros designing the drivers and the other was a copied design from two generations ago and pulled together in one of 20 Pacific Rim countries with no testing. "But it says it is compatible". And under the right circumstance it is.

You cannot build enough brain power into a computer to take all those tangential variable parameters into account. The absolute variety of merchandise is the best part of PC and also the worst.

I took an HP box from Best Buy to get it ready for a friend's kid for Christmas. My job was to make sure it had everything the kid would need for school and put some parental controls on it that he could not break. Out of the box I was able to turn it on, it saw my wireless network, asked for login, logged in updated all its software [OS, Office, virus, Spy and AdBlock] with only OK prompting. Afterwards I cleared my wireless net info off, put my friends net info on the config, including their email pops, loaded some car photos and locked down the Admin user so only his mother or I can get in. There was no configuration other than the email pops, the network firewall [to give me a remote backdoor] and the parental controls [and then removing the control buttons off the drop menus]. If it had not been for a kid needing wireless and parental controls [and a remote "big brother"] the computer would have flown out of the box with no help what so ever. I was in the computer under 30 minutes and it was back in the box.

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