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^^^^Must be some obscure State law most are not aware of, I would think the lawyer has a leg to stand on
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Can someone tell me which 'examples' are not true? Can someone be sued for speaking the truth while acting as a teacher? What are the cash damages, and how should these damages be compensated?

You are really not serious are you? I know your smarter than that question.

Lets look, even though these may be "out of context".

1.Jesus glasses, you can't see the truth? Maybe some of the zealots from any religion are bound to be blind, just as those who are certain of black helicopters and what not. But to lump all people into one hyperbole is wrong.

2. Im ok with that one.

3. Prove that religion is the one of the main causes of crime in our Nation. Can't do it. And prove that it is the only distinction that separates our crime levels from those of Sweden.

4. Giving medication without parental permission? No way. And deciding whats best for my child, no thanks. A parent decides that. Last time I looked, except for the virgin Mary, I have never seen a woman get pregnant due to abstinance.

5.Who is he to decide that all parents are irresponcible? Its not the schools objective or place to decide which girls should recieve birth control. Its there job to teach education. Sure sex ed is part of that, but they are not a pharmacy.

6.I dont know anyone from my chuch or in my community that believes that a woman needs to be pregnant barefoot and in the kitchen. Again maybe the zealots but not the moderates of any society. I have seen plenty of people who are not religous yet practice that "way" of life.

I'm glad that my son goes to private school. Not only is it a better education, but parents can still be parents.

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Sure he is there to teach concepts of religion. He is teaching Advanced Placement European History in which many of the historical events were driven by religious acts or movements. To ignore the catalysts of historical events that were driven by religious doctrine or in some cases religious bigotry would be to NOT be doing his job.

Before you can teach the macro concepts of the Spanish Inquisition you have to teach the micro concepts of simple religious exclusion.
I agree that religion has its place in history and needs to be taught. From the silliness of the crusades to modern day effects.

But to me and how these excerpts are taken seems inappropriate. But as we learn more we will know more.

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I get that you don't like what he said, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. My only objection in that light is his use of the word "Conservatives" in Point 6, rather than "Conservative extremists", which I assume is what he meant.

You need to take a step back and attain some objectivity. For example, can you explain where he is being dishonest in Point 3? Don't draw any conclusions or try to project -- just read the words, and point out the glaring inaccuracy.

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I get that you don't like what he said, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. My only objection in that light is his use of the word "Conservatives" in Point 6, rather than "Conservative extremists", which I assume is what he meant.

You need to take a step back and attain some objectivity. For example, can you explain where he is being dishonest in Point 3? Don't draw any conclusions or try to project -- just read the words, and point out the glaring inaccuracy.
And just because someone likes what he says doesn't make it true either.

Nothing is innacurate about point number 3. But how we see it in this lawsuit, it is of the "suggestive" nature of his statement, that religion is the source of our crime, which it is not.

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So you concede that the statement is true, as I originally suggested. I'm no lawyer, but I don't believe "suggestive" will hold up in court. The statement is factual. Is you drew a conclusion based upon that statement, that is entirely on you.

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And just because someone likes what he says doesn't make it true either.

Nothing is innacurate about point number 3. But how we see it in this lawsuit, it is of the "suggestive" nature of his statement, that religion is the source of our crime, which it is not.
A professor does not have to teach anything that is true or false based on facts he only knows or doesn't. His job sometimes is to get the students to come up to their own conclusions but with a grasp of some fundamental understanding of whatever the concept that was being taught.
He could have easily thrown a hypothesis out there for the students to start fishing and I am willing to bet you that a student (or a bunch of them)
1. Did not want to do the work so complained and distorted what was being done in class
2. Someone was not mature enough to understand what was going on and felt threatened that the Prof was challenging his religion or believes.
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Get outta the classroom and into the courtroom, prof, where true/false may indeed come into play.

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A professor does not have to teach anything that is true or false based on facts he only knows or doesn't. His job sometimes is to get the students to come up to their own conclusions but with a grasp of some fundamental understanding of whatever the concept that was being taught.
He could have easily thrown a hypothesis out there for the students to start fishing and I am willing to bet you that a student (or a bunch of them)
1. Did not want to do the work so complained and distorted what was being done in class
2. Someone was not mature enough to understand what was going on and felt threatened that the Prof was challenging his religion or believes.

I agree, to make them think and come to their own conclusions is great!!

However we know all to well that often times a teacher does not do that.

Hopefully these were taken out of context.

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So you concede that the statement is true, as I originally suggested. I'm no lawyer, but I don't believe "suggestive" will hold up in court. The statement is factual. Is you drew a conclusion based upon that statement, that is entirely on you.

Suggestive does often times hold up in court.

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