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So, what you mean to say is that had any of you Clinton haters been questioned overseas about his BJ and the blue dress saga you would have praised him for being such a potent, manly kind of guy with a special way with women?

Yeah, no one told the international press anything bad about Clinton from the right wing.....and, show me where Al Gore said jack shit about Bush before Bush ran for president. Once Bush leaves, he will get the chance to be compared to Al Gore's standard of representing America as an ex-White House inhabitant. Jim
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Just answer the guy's question and quit trying to turn it into a leftwing cop-out!
Well, his question was a bit like asking about a detail of the Earth's surface from the perspective of someone who believes the Earth is flat. Since the Earth is not flat, and I have no frame of reference to understand the question concerning this detail if the Earth were flat, the request is denied. Besides, answering a question that presumes to be legitimate when it isn't, lends an unintended legitimacy to the question. Which I also do not want to do. So, Jaybaugh, slip your dick back into your throat and rock quietly on the couch, just don't fall off. Jim
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Would someone explain why it is that every time someone on the LEFT talks about Bush and his failed policies it is "talks shit about America" yet in the past when the RIGHT would talk about Clinton, it was just complaining about Clinton? You kiddies on the Right need to learn the difference. It makes nice talk radio chatter but has no place in reality.

Nice trying to obfuscate but it really is sounding like a pathetic little girl crying to mommy.
You dont care that a former Presidential candidate is jet stetting around the world (burning fuel) to blame America for the whole worlds problems?

I never made this a right or left thing. I would be just as upset with anyone else doing the same.

It's wrong and you know it

I don't care to be referred to as a whining little girl when a douche bag like Gore gets praised for being a Dipshit!
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You dont care that a former Presidential candidate is jet stetting around the world (burning fuel) to blame America for the whole worlds problems?

I never made this a right or left thing. I would be just as upset with anyone else doing the same.

It's wrong and you know it

I don't care to be referred to as a whining little girl when a douche bag like Gore gets praised for being a Dipshit!
Actually the whining little girl thing was aimed more toward O'really and Rush.

I am mixed about the "flying around the world" thing. Simple reason why. I know SOMEBODY has had to bang the drum LOUD and LONG to get focus off more important stuff like Britany's panties or Lady Diana still being dead and I would rather see someone who is VERY HIGH PROFILE and who has a legitimate commitment to the cause doing it as I know that person will do a better job. It happens to be Al Gore. He does an exemplary job of stating his case, promoting the issues, raising public awareness, bringing the conversation to places like China, Germany, BenzWorld, Russia.

Someone has to do it. Travel is required. Those are facts of life. Bono has to jet around to get attention for Africa, Princess Di had to jet around to get attention for Land Mine issues. So if Al Gore is the torch bearer for Climate Change, so be it. He is doing a better job than many and seems to have tough enough skin to let folks who make fun of his commitments just roll off. Whether you agree with his politics or even his position on Climate Change, we need more people like that.

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Actually the whining little girl thing was aimed more toward O'really and Rush.

I am mixed about the "flying around the world" thing. Simple reason why. I know SOMEBODY has had to bang the drum LOUD and LONG to get focus off more important stuff like Britany's panties or Lady Diana still being dead and I would rather see someone who is VERY HIGH PROFILE and who has a legitimate commitment to the cause doing it as I know that person will do a better job. It happens to be Al Gore. He does an exemplary job of stating his case, promoting the issues, raising public awareness, bringing the conversation to places like China, Germany, BenzWorld, Russia.

Someone has to do it. Travel is required. Those are facts of life. Bono has to jet around to get attention for Africa, Princess Di had to jet around to get attention for Land Mine issues. So if Al Gore is the torch bearer for Climate Change, so be it. He is doing a better job than many and seems to have tough enough skin to let folks who make fun of his commitments just roll off. Whether you agree with his politics or even his position on Climate Change, we need more people like that.
Okay bear, you have my respect and I agree with some points here, I just can't get passed the finger pointing Gore does with much disdain toward the Greatest County on earth.

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Actually the whining little girl thing was aimed more toward O'really and Rush.

I am mixed about the "flying around the world" thing. Simple reason why. I know SOMEBODY has had to bang the drum LOUD and LONG to get focus off more important stuff like Britany's panties or Lady Diana still being dead and I would rather see someone who is VERY HIGH PROFILE and who has a legitimate commitment to the cause doing it as I know that person will do a better job. It happens to be Al Gore. He does an exemplary job of stating his case, promoting the issues, raising public awareness, bringing the conversation to places like China, Germany, BenzWorld, Russia.

Someone has to do it. Travel is required. Those are facts of life. Bono has to jet around to get attention for Africa, Princess Di had to jet around to get attention for Land Mine issues. So if Al Gore is the torch bearer for Climate Change, so be it. He is doing a better job than many and seems to have tough enough skin to let folks who make fun of his commitments just roll off. Whether you agree with his politics or even his position on Climate Change, we need more people like that.
We've had many intelligent discussions about many issues, some in which we agree and more in which we don't. Your defense of Al Gore and his 'message' is stunningly amazing. Al Gore is a whack job that is being paid money to bang this drum! You don't honestly think he's dipping into his own personal cache of cash for all this awareness on 'Global Warming', do you?

Okay, I'll take it from another angle. Al Gore and this 'Do as I say, Not As I Do' position on Global Warming/Climate Change doesn't cut it. He expects me to drive less, drive more fuel efficient vehicles, cut down my thermostat and quit burning fire wood while he dances around the planet in his private, supporter sponsored jet to beat the drum while spewing tens of thousands of times more pollutants into the air in one day than my entire family and inlaws will in their lifetime, just doesn't get it. If he wants others to really hear his message, he can sell all three of his homes, move into a modest 3000 sq. ft. home with low-e windows and R-52 insulation and an 18 seer heat pump while driving a Toyota Prius every where he goes and park that damn jet. Hell, there's enough empty seats on commercial flights, he doesn't 'need' the jet to begin with! When the common man can relate to him, then his message will be taken more seriously by the common man. But he's a fuckin' elitist who thinks the rules don't apply to him all because his intentions are 'good'. It only tells me that he doesn't really believe what he's teaching or he'd stop all this senseless pollution he so passionately tells us that's causing this 'Global Warming' in the first place.

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We've had many intelligent discussions about many issues, some in which we agree and more in which we don't. Your defense of Al Gore and his 'message' is stunningly amazing. Al Gore is a whack job that is being paid money to bang this drum! You don't honestly think he's dipping into his own personal cache of cash for all this awareness on 'Global Warming', do you?

Okay, I'll take it from another angle. Al Gore and this 'Do as I say, Not As I Do' position on Global Warming/Climate Change doesn't cut it. He expects me to drive less, drive more fuel efficient vehicles, cut down my thermostat and quit burning fire wood while he dances around the planet in his private, supporter sponsored jet to beat the drum while spewing tens of thousands of times more pollutants into the air in one day than my entire family and inlaws will in their lifetime, just doesn't get it. If he wants others to really hear his message, he can sell all three of his homes, move into a modest 3000 sq. ft. home with low-e windows and R-52 insulation and an 18 seer heat pump while driving a Toyota Prius every where he goes and park that damn jet. Hell, there's enough empty seats on commercial flights, he doesn't 'need' the jet to begin with! When the common man can relate to him, then his message will be taken more seriously by the common man. But he's a fuckin' elitist who thinks the rules don't apply to him all because his intentions are 'good'. It only tells me that he doesn't really believe what he's teaching or he'd stop all this senseless pollution he so passionately tells us that's causing this 'Global Warming' in the first place.
Gore has been banging this drum since the 1980s, well before he got a single stipend from anyone for anything. And yes he does use his [and his families] own money.

And as for his houses, hey, you try and run two offices, with appropriate sized staff and all their stuff for two global reach organizations out of 3000sqft. I do believe, however his houses are now fully equipped with the latest efficiency additions since the zoning board finally granted permission for him to modify his older family homes [apparently his more conservative neighbors were fighting his requests to make his house more energy efficient [read it in the Tennessean]

Regarding flight, my understanding is he does travel commercial with available but on international flights, it is more difficult for everyone to coordinate when there is a staff required. Corporations have the same issues.

As for why he travels instead of just staying home, if you don't understand why, you don't understand why.

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What part of the firecode in Cook County has you outraged?

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