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Wow, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted the Dems to go in and 'be grown-ups' and 'solve problems' and 'fix things'. They haven't done jack shit but buy flowers, redecorate the capitol, jack up the costs of goods for the poorest Americans, and bend over for BushCo. The only entity Americans respect less than Bush, is the new congress. A real crop of winners. And you think this should be rewarded by sending more of those brainless fucking wolves in sheep's clothing to Washington?

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Q, you're not reading from Rush cue cards are you? There has been more that flowers and stuff.

As for jacking up the cost of goods for the poorest Americans, the inflation rate has not shown a blip from the Minimum wage rise, the inflation rate has gone up primarily due to energy and food costs and costs of imported items. Of course those on the bottom do have a bit more money to buy gas now.

And being grown-ups, well the "pay as you go" to stop deficit spending sure seems like a grown up thing to do, and will save you and your kid and your kid's kids tax money for your entire working lives.

Problem solving, well, Checks and Balances are a start but wading through the Bushie bungling is taking entirely too much time. Wouldn't it have been nice if he had just done things by the book. Problem solving is a long term strategic concept. It will be interesting to see where that one lands. It is too early to tell.

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I don't think anyone was looking for a treatise on the progress or efficacy of this congress to-date. The fact is, they've not done what they sold people that they'd do. They've given Bush and the AG just about anything they've asked for, or more. And, as the article in question points out, for the first time in ages, we're on the brink of a federal government shutdown. I know of no more scathing indictment of our elected officials' incompetence than to fail in keeping the government funded and running, as a matter of stubbornness or pride. It's the pinnacle of arrogance, and no shade of rose tint on one's glasses can hide it.
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I don't think anyone was looking for a treatise on the progress or efficacy of this congress to-date. The fact is, they've not done what they sold people that they'd do. They've given Bush and the AG just about anything they've asked for, or more.

And, as the article in question points out, for the first time in ages, we're on the brink of a federal government shutdown. I know of no more scathing indictment of our elected officials' incompetence than to fail in keeping the government funded and running, as a matter of stubbornness or pride. It's the pinnacle of arrogance, and no shade of rose tint on one's glasses can hide it.
Regarding a government shutdown, first, the article does not point this out, mainly because it is not true.

In December 1995 the Republican led Congress failed to provide a budget and many offices and departments were closed for up to FIVE MONTHS. It finally settled in April 1996. There have been FIVE other government shutdowns, of varying lengths since 1980. So this is neither the first time in ages nor is it the blame of either specific party. It will always happen when a President threatens to veto every piece of legislation that comes through. It makes the majority look to build supermajorities before sending things through to avoid the Bushit.

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Wow, I misunderstood you. I thought you wanted the Dems to go in and 'be grown-ups' and 'solve problems' and 'fix things'. They haven't done jack shit but buy flowers, redecorate the capitol, jack up the costs of goods for the poorest Americans, and bend over for BushCo. The only entity Americans respect less than Bush, is the new congress. A real crop of winners. And you think this should be rewarded by sending more of those brainless fucking wolves in sheep's clothing to Washington?

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Surely you are grown up enough to realize the GOP is blocking everything. The rest of the country is.

It is really sad to see you guys flopping around like flounders trying to blame the mess the GOP has made of the whole fucking world on the Congressional Dems. Take responsibility for the diasters created by your leaders you fucking crybaby.

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My big bitch about the Dems is their inability to use the power they have, which makes them essentially powerless. They need to just not pass a spending bill that caves into Bush. They can send him a hundred separate bills, and let him act on each on its own. But when it comes to his invasion and occupation of Iraq, they should just not get around to it - they have sent him bills and he has rejected them. They can prepare for his signature the same shit he vetoed and tell him they will keep it alive and warm in one of Nancy Pelosi's drawers. When he gets good and ready to sign, they can pull it out and let him sign it. Otherwise fuck him. He is only the President. He is not a king. If the government shuts down, it will be because he vetoed the ability to stay in business. Not because he didn't have a bill to sign.

Caving in is just bad business.

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I love watching the democraps implode...


I don't think you understand the Democratic Party. It functions as a party of All the People, with all their differing ideas and agendas. It has never been a cohesive party and never will be.

We leave the [formerly] cohesive lockstep narrow-minded, myopia to the NeoCon [NewConfused] Weepublicans - the SoCons, FiCons, NeoCons, OldCons, Dobsonians, Kristolites and Paulettes [we'll let you sort all that out]

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My big bitch about the Dems is their inability to use the power they have, which makes them essentially powerless. They need to just not pass a spending bill that caves into Bush. They can send him a hundred separate bills, and let him act on each on its own. But when it comes to his invasion and occupation of Iraq, they should just not get around to it - they have sent him bills and he has rejected them. They can prepare for his signature the same shit he vetoed and tell him they will keep it alive and warm in one of Nancy Pelosi's drawers. When he gets good and ready to sign, they can pull it out and let him sign it. Otherwise fuck him. He is only the President. He is not a king. If the government shuts down, it will be because he vetoed the ability to stay in business. Not because he didn't have a bill to sign.

Caving in is just bad business.

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Well, if you need more to bitch about, here you go:

'Earmark' cash aids Dem freshmen - USATODAY.com

Anyone feel misled?

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Gallup Poll Shows Clinton Leading All GOP Candidates, Obama Holding Competitive Edge
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A recent Gallup poll testing hypothetical general election match-ups showed Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama edging out most of their potential Republican rivals in 2008.

The poll, conducted of 897 registered voters from Nov. 11-14, gave Hillary Clinton, who is leading the Democrats in most national polls, an advantage over everyone in the GOP field.

The hypothetical race was closest between Clinton and former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Clinton and Arizona Sen. John McCain. The poll gave Clinton a 5-point edge in a match-up with Giuliani, 49 percent to 44 percent. In a race with McCain, Clinton received 50 percent, McCain received 44 percent.

The New York senator held a much stronger lead over former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. She held a 53-40 point edge over Thompson in the poll and a 54-38 point lead over Romney.

The results were similar to those in a FOX News-Opinion Dynamics poll taken at nearly the same time, Nov. 13-14, of 900 registered voters. Head-to-head match-ups in the general election showed Clinton with a 47-43 lead over Giuliani, a 49-40 lead over Thompson and a 50-37 lead over Romney. However the poll showed McCain, with 45 percent, nipping at Clinton's heels, trailing her by just one point.

Clinton's predominance over the GOP candidates remained about the same as it was in a similar poll conducted in June and July. But her lead over Thompson bloomed from 3 to 13 points in the latest poll.

Obama, too, held a lead over most Republican candidates. The poll showed him in a 45-45 point tie with Giuliani. But in a match-up with McCain, the Illinois senator got 47 percent to McCain's 44 percent.

Like Clinton, Obama held stronger advantages against Romney and Thompson, 52-35 and 51-38 respectively.

Though the Democratic frontrunners appear to at least be competitive with Giuliani and McCain — GOP candidates considered to have broad appeal across party lines — their leads still fall within the poll's 4-point margin of error.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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