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Starting a new thread to talk about the auto industry slowdown.
How bad is it going to get ?

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Detroit (dpa) - The US big three car producers plan to reduce or even halt production of pickup trucks for January due to a drop in demand in the United States, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday.
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Alone in November the sales of pickups fell more than 8 per cent, the report said.
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mlfun, what's your prediction on the tractor industry?
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The CAFE standards bill is moving through Congress that wants to put the aggregate bar at 35MPG by 2020. It passed the House but is stalled in the Senate where it requires 60/40 to move forward.

Lutz at GM and others are whining that their Yukons at 21MPG just can't do that without price increases. D'oh! At some point Lutz has to realize that the environment and the ecology of the world are not set up to meet his business model. He built the Big SUV paradigm as a profit center to avoid CAFE numbers back in the early 80s when they found that it was easier to game the system by moving the "station wagon" to truck based SUVs [which were not part of the CAFE standards]. He knew that the CAFE would eventually absorb "trucks used as cars" into the standard but steadfastly ignored it.

Until that type of thinking is retired from the Big Three, they are going to continue to fail in marketing in the 21st Century.

Lutz says 35-mpg CAFE will scuttle GM product plans - AutoWeek Magazine

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Cars are so yesterday mlfun the UK has sold this industry off, it's getting close to the time to buy an ass or a horse or a 5.0L twin supercharged Koenigsegg CCXR (Bio flexi fuel) model limited to 6 cars with 1018 bhp.
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They must be segmenting out "full size" trucks - trucks (including car based CUV's) are generally up - the automakers have little chance of meeting last years 16.1 million - so far looking at 15.7 - although final fall numbers with sub-prime melt down is not known yet

Mis size cars are down - compact cars are up -

The Detroit three issue is still over dealering & too much manufacturing capacity

it will be painful to get to where it needs to be
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They must be segmenting out "full size" trucks - trucks (including car based CUV's) are generally up - the automakers have little chance of meeting last years 16.1 million - so far looking at 15.7 - although final fall numbers with sub-prime melt down is not known yet

Mis size cars are down - compact cars are up -

The Detroit three issue is still over dealering & too much manufacturing capacity

it will be painful to get to where it needs to be
They don't have too much capacity IF they design the right mix AND market it correctly. Problem is they see the "small car" crowd as econobox only and not "upscale small size". And they see the SUV crowd as cash cow and fail to see that they created the market and are in charge of moving the point.

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