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Stun guns do have a purpose (suspects who are a danger to the officer), but I don't think they should be used as an "attention getter". If officers were required to receive the same amount of shock that they give out on suspects, they would probably find other ways to subdue them.

Unless it's justified, of course...
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I am starting to see too many videos where it APPEARS that the officers are using stun guns as punitive tools. Considering the number of deaths that are starting to add up on these things [officer can't determine if suspect [who might not be able to in the best judgment] has a health condition where a stun gun will be lethal] I would not be surprised if they do not fall under lethal force in the near future.

If someone has a heart condition, some stroke issues they may die or if they have an autonomic dysfunction condition they WILL die. And one of the first things that goes on AD is some self control that might trigger an officer to issue a punitive stun [mouthing off as an example].

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Stun guns do have a purpose (suspects who are a danger to the officer), but I don't think they should be used as an "attention getter". If officers were required to receive the same amount of shock that they give out on suspects, they would probably find other ways to subdue them.

Unless it's justified, of course...
I am not sure what you mean specifically but every officer that carries a Tazer is required to be tazed. It is afectionately called "riding the lightning." As for officers using a tazer or chemical mace or a baton or a pistol, which is your preference? Those are the tools they have at their disposal. Personally I am of the mindset that the VAST majority of cops are good and professional. And the same goes for those being tazed, the VAST majority of them are just law abiding citizens who don't understand why the law just wants to harass them.

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As for officers using a tazer or chemical mace or a baton or a pistol, which is your preference? Those are the tools they have at their disposal.
That is not true at all. They have plenty of other things too.

First, there is the "Ride in the Elevator" - the jail elevator, where the suspect "falls down" (with no witnesses) about 10 times, going from the booking room to the jail;

The "Screen Test": Where a doped up suspect in the back seat of the squad car gets asked by the officer: "I think you should be in the movies. (To his partner): "I think this guy wants to be in the movies, shall we give him the screen test?"

Partner: "Yeah, give him the screen test"

Whereupon the officer accellerates squad car to 70 mph, and hits the brakes as hard as he can, so the cuffed suspect goes flying into the metal screen behind the front seat of the squad car. About 3-4 screen tests are given.

The screen test also involves some REALLY fast cornering, so the cuffed suspect slides across the back plastic seat of the squad car, and smashes his head on the bar of the back window that is there to prevent suspects from breaking the window and escaping from the police car.

The fanatics on the force will heavily WAX the back seat before going out on the shift. That way, the suspects will slide across the waxed palstic seats, really, really fast in hard cornering.

You want to hear any more?

The SFPD has PLENTY of tricks up its blue sleeve.

As to the original question, the baton is preferred. It is the most fun to play the suspect's head like a marimba with one.

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