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Someone tell Bush what Support the Troops means.

In a continuation of the Bush Administration's assault on the Troops [danger: Bush Bashing Ahead!], we have yet another example to go along with his cutting of Veterans Benefits, Piss Poor VA Hospital conditions and of course putting the Troops in Harm's way without ample planning to insure their safety.

Now it seems, after long, extended tours the "guaranteed" jobs that our Guard units are told will be waiting for them when they return aren't so guaranteed and the Pentagon and Labor Department are not so pumped about insuring that the kids that put their ass on the line for the Moron with a War On have something to come back to.

So all you Weepublicans with a W sticker AND Support the Troops - kindly PICK ONE! Together they form a null set.
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Soldiers find little help getting back to work

WASHINGTON (AP) - Strained by extended tours in Iraq, growing numbers of military reservists say the government is providing little help to soldiers who are denied their old jobs when they return home, Defense Department data shows.

The Pentagon survey of reservists in 2005-2006, obtained by The Associated Press, details increasing discontent among returning troops in protecting their legal rights after taking leave from work to fight for their country.

It found that 44 percent of the reservists polled said they were dissatisfied with how the Labor Department handled their complaint of employment discrimination based on their military status, up from 27 percent from 2004.

Nearly one-third, or 29 percent, said they had difficulty getting the information they needed from government agencies charged with protecting their rights, while 77 percent reported they didn't even bother trying to get assistance in part because they didn't think it would make a difference.

Legal experts say the findings might represent the tip of the iceberg. Formal complaints to the Labor Department by reservists hit nearly 1,600 in 2005 - the highest number since 1991 - not counting the thousands more cases reported each year to the Pentagon for resolution by mediation.

And a bump in complaints is likely once the Iraq war winds down and more people come home after an extended period in which employers were forced to restructure or hire new workers to cope with those on military leave, they said.

Among the survey's findings:

-About 23 percent of reservists reported they did not return to their old jobs in part because their employer did not give them prompt re-employment or their job situation changed in some way while they were on military leave.

-Twenty-nine percent of those choosing not to seek help to get their job back said it was because it was "not worth the fight." Another 23 percent said they were unsure of how to file a complaint. Others cited a lack of confidence that they could win (14 percent); fear of employer reprisal (13 percent), or other reasons (21 percent).

-Reservists reported receiving an average of 1.8 briefings about their job rights and what government resources were available. This is down slightly from the 2.0 briefings they reported getting in 2004.

"Most of the government investigators are too willing to accept the employer's explanation for a worker's dismissal," said Sam Wright, a former Labor Department attorney who helped write the 1994 discrimination law protecting reservists.

"Some of it is indifference, some of them don't understand the laws involved," Wright said. "But the investigators establish for themselves this impossibly hard standard to win a case. As a result, reservists lose out."

Under the law, military personnel are protected from job discrimination based on their service and are generally entitled to a five-year cumulative leave with rights to their old jobs upon their return. Reservists typically file a complaint first with a Pentagon office, the Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve (ESGR), which seeks to resolve the dispute informally.

If that effort fails, a person typically can go to the Labor Department to pursue a formal complaint and possible litigation by the Justice Department.

A report by the American Bar Association as early as 2004 noted problems in which the government was "not seen as an aggressive advocate for the returning veteran." A presidential task force chaired by former Veterans Affairs Secretary Jim Nicholson earlier this year found that agencies could do a better job of educating troops and veterans. The report did not address government enforcement of the law.

Just ask Ret. Marine Lt. Col. Steve Duarte, who won a court judgment of more than $430,000 from Agilent Technologies Inc. in March 2005 after turning to a private lawyer after losing his job. Duarte was a senior consultant when he was mobilized twice from October 2001 to April 2002 and from November 2002 to July 2003.

When Duarte returned from the second mobilization, Agilent did not reinstate his previous position but assigned him to a special project. He soon received a poor job evaluation that differed from previous positive reviews and was terminated four months later.

Duarte said he contacted the Pentagon and Labor Department, both of which turned him away. Labor Department lawyers allegedly said he didn't have a case unless he specifically heard his employer say they were terminating him for military reasons.

"I am not a lawyer, but I expected various government agencies like ESGR and the Department of Labor to help me," Duarte said in documents provided to the Senate Health, Education, Labor & Pensions Committee, which is reviewing the Labor Department's practices.

"I felt as though they were on the side of the large corporations," he said.

Eileen Lainez, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said: "We carefully consider information our members provide, and we actively work to develop solutions where needed." The Labor Department has said it has been working to better educate troops and veterans about their rights.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., who chairs the Senate Health Committee, said he was troubled by the findings. He said he plans legislation to hold agencies accountable by requiring them to collect and release employment data.

The Labor Department currently releases an annual report on employment complaints to Congress, but the figures do not include Pentagon data. The report, which is due to Congress on Feb. 1, has yet to be released this year.

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You may want to believe--and want us to believe--that the President doesn't support the troops, but the whole world knows that that is pure bear shit!

For someone you want us to believe doesn't support the troops, the troops support the President overwhelmingly. I believe I read somewhere that his approval rating among the troops is high. If he really didn't support them, do you really think they would support him?

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Yes, 'support the troops' means place them in harm's way for personal gain.

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Yes, 'support the troops' means place them in harm's way for personal gain.
How does war gain President Bush anything?

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How does war gain President Bush anything?
Well it certainly has gained Cheney and the rest of Bushies supporters at Halliburton and Blackwater and KBR with their multi Billion NoBid contracts with ZERO Oversite, multi-Billion cost overbudgets and CBO reported funds fraud and mismanagement.

Which one again kept loaning Bush jets for his lawyers to work his Florida election appeals?

Maybe that is some of the Quid Pro Quo

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Can you provide any stories of friends of Bush or Cheney who have personally sacrificed for the good of their country during these troubled times? I keep hearing about one after another hitting the jackpot. Strange that....

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Just to elaborate, Jayhawk might need to realize that sometimes you make payments for things in arrears, rather than in advance. For example, if huge corporations and individuals with special interests (especially the kinds of interests that run contrary to those of the people) got Bush elected, he would need to repay them once in office. Ergo, the jackpot phenomenon to which Germanstar referred.

It's kind of like, if your wife fulfilled some bizarre cross-dressing fantasy of yours (a la Giuliani), you would probably promise to buy her that kick-start vibrator she always wanted - but only after you nut. Of course, when I say "YOU", I mean any closet transvestite whose wife wants a kick-start vibrator.

I hope this simplified explanation of "quid pro quo" helps to enlighten mcbear's otherwise salient response.
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You may want to believe--and want us to believe--that the President doesn't support the troops, but the whole world knows that that is pure bear shit!
It's not what I want to believe. It's what the troops are seeing when they come back and their jobs are taken by someone else and the Administration fails to support them.

It's not what I want to believe. It's what the troops are seeing when they come back and are wounded and the VA hospital is full of MOLD and infection and does not pass even simple inspection.

It's not what I want to believe. It's what the troops are seeing when they come back and see that their Veterans Benefits have been cut AGAIN by this Administration.

These are all provable facts, backed with that evidence thingie. Not just what "I want to believe".

And while the surveys that you seem to point out that show the troops support bush might be valid, based on their questions, the troops that I talk to, both at funerals and those that I have helped re-acclimate to civilian life seem to have a much different story. They support the Military, they support their buds but they do not support Bush or what he has done to them when they get home.

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^ My question is whether or not the mold and dilapidation in question began after January 2001, or were these facilities in a general state of disrepair prior to the election of our national scapegoat?

He's certainly not without fault, but it's kind of - I dunno - intellectually dishonest I guess, to keep heaping responsibility for every fucking thing in the world on this poor guy's narrow shoulders.

I didn't know the election in 2008 was for a person whose duties are going to include maid service and building superintendent as well.
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