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It is best to just treat god as a total fiction.

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Is that your pagan streak coming out?
You certainly strip away all pretensions, don't you?

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You certainly strip away all pretensions, don't you?

Yes, I like to get to the bare facts.
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Yes, I like to get to the bare facts.
I nude you'd say that.

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Twenty-first century minds should not believe any of that silly stuff...whether it comes from churches or crazies.

The more you know about religions the more you will see how foolish they are. They are designed for weak minds....people who are afraid to think.

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Religion is the source of all wars. Always has been and it should be avoided at all costs. We should believe in the right to exist in peace and harmony with all people and not listen to religious groups.

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^^^^ that's what my pastor told me too. Right before he told me to go piss on the steps of the methodist church entrance.
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If kept personal and private religion is fine. The problem is no one keeps it personal and private.
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Religion was created by the upper class to keep weak-minded lower class under control. Do what we (God) say or you will BURN IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!

Seriously, its 2007, time to educate yourself and stop believing in fairy tales. You must be foolish to believe the crap religions try to push.






How to Kill God

The following are directions on how to kill God. To kill god you will need many ingredients before you begin. Once you have the ingredients for the recipe, then you can begin killing God and freeing yourself and others from the pain of faith and belief. First, I will list the ingredients needed, and then explain how to use the ingredients to kill god.

A faculty of reasoning.
A critical thinking ability.
A sense of true and false.
An ability to distinguish truth from falsity.


There may be more ingredients needed, but those are the basics.

Now, on to the directions on how to kill the idea of God:

First we must define what it is we are talking about. There are many different ideas of a god or gods. In fact, when you ask any two random people what they think god is, it is very likely that they will have two different ideas of such a being. So, we need to come to a common ground on this group of ideas we call 'god'. For our investigation we are going to discuss the general view of gods, this will include the Christian god, Islamic god, Jewish god and the similar views of such a monotheistic belief.

For these gods all come from the same basic god, the god of the old testament. This god has many so called attributes, which are, more precisely negative attributes. For instance, omnipotent, omniscience, omnibenevolent, infinite and so on. These are all negative attributes because they mean power without limit, knowledge without limit, 'goodness' without limit, and finally without limit itself. There are also many positive attributes people attach to god. These include things like loving and wise and so one.

Now, we shall look at how we can know such attribute about god. All of the negative attribute do not define what god is, they define what god isn't. From this explanation we have still not explain what god is, but instead we have shown what god is not, and for something to exist, we have to have positive qualities of such a being. Without positive attributes, we have no way of distinguishing god from non-existence. As for the positive attributes people add to god, they are contradictory to the supposed nature of god. For instance if god is immutable, (unchanging) then god cannot love at least in the same way that humans love, for that would mean that god has emotions which change, the same goes for anger and so on. As for wise, this goes the same way because if god is supernatural, it means that god is not in the natural world. We only have knowledge of wisdom and other attributes of the kind in the natural world, and if god is not natural, god cannot have these same attributes, unless they are wholly different than what we think them to be. In that case god is unknowable, and is therefore indistinguishable from non-existence.

If god is indistinguishable from non-existence then we have no use in laying claim to knowing what god is or anything at all about god. From this point faith must take control of the mind. Faith is believing something without or in spite of evidence. Faith is the antithesis of reason, and is therefore, by its very definition contradictory to reasoning. You may have faith in anything at all, you may have faith that one day your god will come and make the world a good place. You may have faith that magic elves live in your bathroom and steal your toothbrush at nite. You may have faith that aliens exist and are planning a takeover of the planet. These beliefs all have one thing in common, none of them have any grounding in reasoning or evidence. A holy book is not evidence for anything at all. I may have faith that the Harry Potter books are the word of truth and that I should live by their standards, and the only thing that would make such an unreasonable belief common place is if, over the centuries governments were enforcing the belief of such, and churches grew up spouting the truth of such a proposition. This is the only truth to the holy books, the mere passage of time and influence of governments and religious organizations over the minds of the people. Faith is the reason why governments take control over their people, because faith kills the faculty of reasoning and kills the faculty of critical thought. Jesus talked about the belief in him as a 'child-like' belief, in the way that a child believes that santa claus exists, in that child-like belief there is no room for reasoning or critical thought.

The only reasonable viewpoint to hold is atheism. For atheism is the default human condition, we are all born atheists. Before religious thought is indoctrinated into us by our parents and our schools and our churches, we are all atheists. In fact all people who believe in one god or many gods are atheists about all the rest of the gods that other people in the world. Atheism has nothing to do with any belief except the lack of a god belief. It holds no moral or ethical connotations, it is simply the lack of a god belief.

This is the misconception of atheism, this is why so many people fear to say that they don't believe in a god, for they have been taught to think that faith is necessary for ethics, this is an outright lie. Ethics come from altruism and the common goal of humans to live together in a peaceful society. If you want ethics look at chimpanzees or other apes, they have these very ethics, the only difference, is that we have attained the ability to destroy those ethics and replace them with faulty religious ones. Ethics that spawn acts like the crusades and the inquisition. Ethics that kills thousands of people by way of terrorism, whether islamic, zionist, or christian. Either by guerllia groups, or by states like Israel and such. You never see jainists becoming suicide bombers because their religion is inherently non-violent, whereas christians and islam and jewish people have throughout history justified their violence from their 'holy' books. STOP KILLING PEOPLE OVER GOD!

There is no god.

Kill your god.

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1958 a US ICBM really got lost in Brazil and was discovered years later in the remote wilds being worshiped as a pagan god by "seductive White Indian women." They look so provocative writhing in sexual ecstasy before the massive phallic god-thing. LOL
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