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I only mention this story, because I have never seen similarly compelling evidence to indicate the existence of the object of all this Western faith. And please keep in mind, I bought the Santa Claus thing hook, line and sinker.

What kind of evidence would you need to believe? Jesus walked these grounds 2000 years ago. Do you expect him to come see you personally?

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I like the notion of a secular funeral. Hmmm...
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Certainly, the trend religion has taken towards being entertainment franchises has validated and galvanized my opposition to them.

There are several 24 hour evangelical television networks. I know of companies that build these monstrous Baptist churches, and they are each well into the 8-figure range. Every time I see one go up, I wonder how much good could have been done with the money required to erect such a non-Christian edifice. Do not Christians observe the 7 deadly sins, to include greed, pride, and gluttony?
Now, coming from the South, the zipper of the Bible Belt you would think that I might see evidence of these large churches of which you speak. Maybe there would be some evidence of their zealous overspending.

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God has absolutely nothing to do with any organized religion.

Pascal Wager is good enough to convince me that God does exist.

What all those sycofants who want your money have to do with God?
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I recall waking up one christmas morning to discover solid evidence that Santa Claus had paid a visit during the night while I slept. There was a bevy of new presents under the tree, and a half-consumed glass of milk next to some cookie crumbs on a counter top. This was solid evidence that pointed to an obvious conclusion that a 300-lb man in a bright red suit who had parked a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer onto my roof, had managed to drop through a chimney barely wide enough for one leg and deposited a truckload of presents in my living room before enjoying a snack, all without leaving a single trace of soot in the house or betraying how he could have possibly made it back to the roof without the aid of an industrial crane.

I only mention this story, because I have never seen similarly compelling evidence to indicate the existence of the object of all this Western faith. And please keep in mind, I bought the Santa Claus thing hook, line and sinker.
GS, I guess you don't believe in Santa Claus anymore.

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God has absolutely nothing to do with any organized religion.
I think you hit the nail on the head here. I definitely make the distinction between religious spirituality and organized religion. I think more and more people are loosing their taste for organized religion but are actively engaged in a personal relationship with whatever they consider God to be. I believe that most organized religions are primarily concerned with maintaining/strengthening the organization above all else, and this actually drives people into more personal reflection about what they believe and how they interact with God.
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I like the notion of a secular funeral. Hmmm...
I attended a Universalist Unitarian service recently, and it was really quite moving. While taking place in a 'church' - although I don't think it was called that - there was no religious iconography, no crosses, no stained glass. Just a gathering of friends and family, music, and remembrances. Pretty cool, actually. Enough to make this lapsed catholic look into the UUA. And, to the best of my knowledge, no UUA official has ever been caught boogering an altar boy, or accumulating vast wealth or a media empire!

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I think you hit the nail on the head here. I definitely make the distinction between religious spirituality and organized religion. I think more and more people are loosing their taste for organized religion but are actively engaged in a personal relationship with whatever they consider God to be. I believe that most organized religions are primarily concerned with maintaining/strengthening the organization above all else, and this actually drives people into more personal reflection about what they believe and how they interact with God.
"Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to God." - Lenny Bruce.

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