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Old 10-22-2007, 09:54 AM   #1 (permalink)
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SubPrime Dominoes

I have been banging this sub-prime mortgage drum for the past 18 months or so because of both the exacerbating traits that it triggers in the hedge, derivatives and their associated leveraged investments but also the collateral issues that occur with the folks that have these impacts and the domino effect that occurs.

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US loan default problems widen
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By Ben White in New York
Published: October 21 2007 19:21 | Last updated: October 21 2007 19:21

Poor quarterly results from banks across the US over the past two weeks suggest credit problems once confined to high-risk mortgage borrowers are spreading across the consumer landscape, posing new risks to the economy and weighing heavily on the markets.

US banks have raised reserves for loan losses by at least $6bn over the second quarter and by even larger amounts from last year, indicating financial executives believe consumers will be increasingly unable to make payments on a variety of loans.

Banks are adding to reserves not just for defaults on mortgages, but also on home equity loans, car loans and credit cards.

“What started out merely as a subprime problem has expanded more broadly in the mortgage space and problems are getting worse at a faster pace than many had expected,” said Michael Mayo, Deutsche Bank analyst.

“On top of this, there is an uptick in auto loan problems, which may or may not be seasonal, and there is more body language from the banks that the state of the consumer was somewhat less strong [than thought].”

Dick Bove, analyst at Punk Ziegel, said bank earnings indicated “there are problems with consumer debt that extend beyond the well-known issues in the real estate markets. Auto loans are clearly a new area of concern”. At Wachovia, the fourth largest US bank by assets, credit loss provisions more than doubled from the second quarter to $408m.

Troubled loans that could turn into losses also more than doubled. Ken Thompson, chief executive, said the housing market could remain weak through next year. Wachovia’s poor earnings fuelled a stock market rout on Friday.

Problems can be seen at banks across the US. At KeyCorp, in Cleveland, non-performing assets rose $241m from last year and loan-loss provisions doubled. In Dallas, Comerica’s loan loss provisions tripled from last year to $45m. Net credit losses jumped from $663m last year to $892 at Wells Fargo, in San Francisco, due to home equity and car loan losses. Loans more than 90 days past due and still accruing increased to $5.53bn from $3.66bn last year.

“There has been a fast sea-change in thinking,” said Rick Klingman, interest rate trader at BNP Paribas. “Stocks are showing some real concern about bank earnings and there are worries about credit in general.”

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Old 10-22-2007, 10:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree there are problems, but the sky really is not falling. There are far too many protections and protectors built into our economic system for this to seriously effect our economy for much longer. One of those is the Fed. and they have made it quite clear that they will not let this situation get out of control. In fact, just today one of the Fed. Governors spoke to the issue:

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Federal Reserve will do whatever is necessary to prevent damage to the economy from the credit crunch that has gripped Wall Street, a Fed official said Monday, warning it will take time for financial markets to fully recover from the strains.

Fed Governor Randall Kroszner's remarks came as fears about the credit crunch and a painful housing slump have gripped investors in recent months, causing stocks to nosedive. Wall Street took another sharp plunge—366 points—on Friday. The Dow Jones industrials were down again in trading Monday, though not as sharply as Friday.

"The Federal Reserve will continue to monitor developments in financial markets and act as needed to support the effective functioning of these markets and to foster sustainable economic growth and price stability," Kroszner said in a speech here to the Institute of International Bankers.

It is the same pledge that Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and other central bank colleagues have been making in the past months. That is, to keep the economy growing and inflation under control...

Fed Official: Bank Will Protect Economy

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Old 10-22-2007, 12:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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For the first six years of the Bush Administration the Economic model was Free Market, damn the consequences. Now that we have the consequences we have an administration that is pouring our grandchildren's tax dollars in to the bucket as security bailouts for those "free market" excesses.

So we are changing from an abridged Free Market model which did not work [except for global corporations and stock market] to one of nanny state bailout for the global financial sector that failed to use sound economic principles when shooting up for the Ditech High. The rehab and withdrawal afterwards is a real bitch.

And it is going to cost at least $2Trillion before it is over [we are already 30% there]. There are at least two more quarters to sort through.
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For the first six years of the Bush Administration the Economic model was Free Market, damn the consequences. Now that we have the consequences we have an administration that is pouring our grandchildren's tax dollars in to the bucket as security bailouts for those "free market" excesses.

So we are changing from an abridged Free Market model which did not work [except for global corporations and stock market] to one of nanny state bailout for the global financial sector that failed to use sound economic principles when shooting up for the Ditech High. The rehab and withdrawal afterwards is a real bitch.

And it is going to cost at least $2Trillion before it is over [we are already 30% there]. There are at least two more quarters to sort through.
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Old 10-22-2007, 02:27 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Here is a simple economic indicator: I am lending lunch money (and even rent money) to some people I worked with in the mortgage biz.
They can't close deals because lenders are retreating and flexibility dried up. Now that I am making some serious $$ in the evenings rubbing my nose between horny ladies' tits while yelling boudada and letting them pinch my hiney life is good!
Soon I will be lending to faculty members that I worked with when they realize that their latest pay increase was half the rate of inflation, BOUDADA!
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Mortgage rates are not dictated by prime rate. they are dictated by the T-Bill rate. Secondary investors. prime rate is the rate that a bank will lend at. usually a 3 point spread. feds charge banks 4.75% to borrow money the bank charges you 7.75% thus earning a 3 pt spread.

bank loans are usually short term 10 yr or less. or in some cases investment or business loans.

The housing market does not care what the banks prime rate is unless it is a heloc or construction loan.
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No doubt there will be a slowdown but will rate cuts save the day (again) ?
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No doubt there will be a slowdown but will rate cuts save the day (again) ?
Did you hear the man? it's the T-bills that dictate the rate; the index value is almost 4.4 while a 30 year fixed to consumers is around 5.9%, I hope you learned something
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Here is a simple economic indicator: I am lending lunch money (and even rent money) to some people I worked with in the mortgage biz.
They can't close deals because lenders are retreating and flexibility dried up. Now that I am making some serious $$ in the evenings rubbing my nose between horny ladies' tits while yelling boudada and letting them pinch my hiney life is good!
Soon I will be lending to faculty members that I worked with when they realize that their latest pay increase was half the rate of inflation, BOUDADA!
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Here is a simple economic indicator: I am lending lunch money (and even rent money) to some people I worked with in the mortgage biz.
They can't close deals because lenders are retreating and flexibility dried up. Now that I am making some serious $$ in the evenings rubbing my nose between horny ladies' tits while yelling boudada and letting them pinch my hiney life is good!
Soon I will be lending to faculty members that I worked with when they realize that their latest pay increase was half the rate of inflation, BOUDADA!
Life is wonderful! Life is good! BOUDADA! BOUDADA! How does you wife like your new career professor?

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