Does this moron have any credibility left at all? - Page 3 - Mercedes-Benz Forum

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #21 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-17-2007, 10:56 PM Thread Starter
Administratoris Emeritus
 
GeeS's Avatar
 
Date registered: Aug 2002
Vehicle: 2021 SL770
Location: Fountain Hills, AZ
Posts: 44,915
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Quoted: 591 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
International power? I wouldn't go that far. Respect? Absolutely. That is precisely the path our actions have suggested they take. We have pushed them down this path. Us.

"If spending money you don't have is the height of stupidity, borrowing money to give it away is the height of insanity." -- anon
GeeS is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-17-2007, 10:58 PM Thread Starter
Administratoris Emeritus
 
GeeS's Avatar
 
Date registered: Aug 2002
Vehicle: 2021 SL770
Location: Fountain Hills, AZ
Posts: 44,915
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Quoted: 591 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
Quote:
Originally Posted by A264172 View Post
I think as far as Bush is concerned, if American troops are attacked with nukes, the worlds oil reserves are devastated, the dollar falls off the map, Russia ends up a stronger force on the world stage than the America, and it's all his fault... thats close enough.
That would be a nukular incursion.

"If spending money you don't have is the height of stupidity, borrowing money to give it away is the height of insanity." -- anon
GeeS is offline  
post #23 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-17-2007, 11:04 PM
Live
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanStar View Post
International power? I wouldn't go that far. Respect? Absolutely. That is precisely the path our actions have suggested they take. We have pushed them down this path. Us.

In six years we've pushed them so hard they need Nukes for protection?
In six years we've pushed them so hard they've found the need to kill Americans?
post #24 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-17-2007, 11:10 PM Thread Starter
Administratoris Emeritus
 
GeeS's Avatar
 
Date registered: Aug 2002
Vehicle: 2021 SL770
Location: Fountain Hills, AZ
Posts: 44,915
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Quoted: 591 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
If you don't want to see the situation for what it is and acknowledge our administration's culpability, then you won't.

"If spending money you don't have is the height of stupidity, borrowing money to give it away is the height of insanity." -- anon
GeeS is offline  
post #25 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-17-2007, 11:28 PM
Will Moderate For Cigars
 
cmitch's Avatar
 
Date registered: Apr 2005
Vehicle: 2002 ML320, 2005 S430 4MATIC, 2010 F150 Crew Cab
Location: City on the TN River
Posts: 10,691
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Quoted: 204 Post(s)
Lifetime Premium Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanStar View Post
He is suggesting more than that. Allow me to suggest that "WWIII" implicitly implies an exchange of nuclear missiles between the U.S. and Russia. And all because Iran wants to generate electricity in the same manner that many countries do. And that because they have been severely provoked by the U.S. into posturing and possibly defending themselves. Clearly, Iran is the threat and we are innocent victims of circumstance. Of course, none of this points back toward our invasion of Iraq. Not in the least.
GS, you really surprise me with some of the seemingly off the wall comments you have made in this thread and successive ones. Do you really believe the motivation for Iran's nuclear program is for power when you take into consideration that they sit right smack in the middle of the world's largest oil reserves? They don't have to give $86.00 a barrel for oil to generate electricity. Hell, they waste enough natural gas to generate most of their electricity!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Germanstar
Yes, I'm well aware that the second in command of Iran expressed a desire to eliminate Israel. That is not nearly the same as a threat to "wipe a certain race of people off the face of the earth".
And what other country is composed primarily of Jews? The elimination of the Jewish people is the #1 goal of the arab people, always has been and always will be. History is evidence enough of their hatred for the Jewish race. Therefore, it is, indeed, a threat to wipe off the face of the earth one race of people and anyone who aligns themselves with that Jewish nation.

2005 S430 4Matic 'Morton' W220.183 • 722.671 Rest in Peace

Bells and whistles are thorns and thistles.
cmitch is offline  
post #26 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-18-2007, 01:48 AM
CH4S Artist
 
Teutone's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 1985 500SEC, 1991 190E 2.6.
Location: Los Angeles / Hannover Germany
Posts: 33,566
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Quoted: 957 Post(s)
Lifetime Premium Member
Once more: 'Dozens died in Syria-Iran missile test'

I have lived in Iran for ten years. There is little doubt in my mind, that if pushed into a corner, those in power may choose to go out in a blaze of glory.
Iran's Caspian sea region is thought to have the third largest oil reserves in the World.
With all of its oil Iran lacks refining capacity and has to import gasoline and other refned end products. A massive program to build refineries would make sense here, to instead put all emphasis on a nuclear program doesn't.
There is still being natural gas being burned off to get faster to the oil, which could easly and cheaply be converted into energy.



I came across this some time ago, but could not locate it again.
If factual, it's surprising, how the 'test accident' could have stayed under the radar?


'Dozens died in Syria-Iran missile test'

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JPost.com Staff , THE JERUSALEM POST Sep. 18, 2007

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the proliferation and development of weapons of mass destruction was brought to light Monday in Jane's Defence Weekly, which reported that dozens of Iranian engineers and 15 Syrian officers were killed in a July 23 accident in Syria.

According to the report, cited by Channel 10, the joint Syrian-Iranian team was attempting to mount a chemical warhead on a Scud missile when the explosion occurred, spreading lethal chemical agents, including sarin nerve gas.

Reports of the accident were circulated at the time; however, no details were released by the Syrian government, and there were no hints of an Iranian connection.

The report comes on the heels of criticism leveled by the Syrians at the United States, accusing it of spreading "false" claims of Syrian nuclear activity and cooperation with North Korea to excuse an alleged Israeli air incursion over the country this month.

According to globalsecurity.org, Syria is not a signatory of either the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), - an international agreement banning the production, stockpiling or use of chemical weapons - or the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty (CTBT).

Syria began developing chemical weapons in 1973, just before the Yom Kipper War. Globalsecurity.org cites the country as having one of the most advanced chemical weapons programs in the Middle East.
Teutone is offline  
post #27 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-18-2007, 04:31 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
Punjabi's Avatar
 
Date registered: Mar 2005
Vehicle: Bandwidth
Location: In Virtual Reality
Posts: 3,256
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
heh, heh........
Attached Images
   
Punjabi is offline  
post #28 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-18-2007, 05:27 AM
Live
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by GermanStar View Post
If you don't want to see the situation for what it is and acknowledge our administration's culpability, then you won't.
It's not that I don't see. It's that I agree.
post #29 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-18-2007, 08:07 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
FeelTheLove's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 83 Astral Silver 280 SL
Location: Planet Houston
Posts: 28,829
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
I don't know if I agree. "Islamic Republicanism" is really just another name for a brutal relgious fascism that is indeed a threat to us, mainly because of the apocalyptic nature of the religion. While Bush's "WWIII" is a grotestque exaggeration, this nation is absolutely a national security threat to the United States and a day of reckoning will arrive with them eventually.

My real objection is that our nation has not been made ready for this type of war. We should have been put on a full war footing after 9-11 and demanded that both Iran and Pakistan disarm, and if they did not, we should have waged war by all means against them and Afghanistan as our response to the attack of 9-11. Instead, we went on a fool's errand to Iraq because this shithead Bush saw an opportunity to further the aims of the other set of fascists, the Sunni Oil Fascists that the Bush family serves. Now we are faced with tremendous difficulties. Pakistan is on its way to becoming a nuclear armed Al Queda State. Iran would get the sympathy of the world if we invaded them. The Russians, who would have probably aided us in anything we wished in the time span after 9-11 when we had an opportunity to align our aims against Islamic Fascist, now oppose anything we are doing in Iran as a threat to them. The Europeans have lost the desire to cooperate with us after years of Bushism. George Bush has essentially isolated us.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

Last edited by FeelTheLove; 10-18-2007 at 08:09 AM.
FeelTheLove is offline  
post #30 of 58 (permalink) Old 10-18-2007, 08:09 AM Thread Starter
Administratoris Emeritus
 
GeeS's Avatar
 
Date registered: Aug 2002
Vehicle: 2021 SL770
Location: Fountain Hills, AZ
Posts: 44,915
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Quoted: 591 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmitch View Post
GS, you really surprise me with some of the seemingly off the wall comments you have made in this thread and successive ones. Do you really believe the motivation for Iran's nuclear program is for power when you take into consideration that they sit right smack in the middle of the world's largest oil reserves? They don't have to give $86.00 a barrel for oil to generate electricity. Hell, they waste enough natural gas to generate most of their electricity!

And what other country is composed primarily of Jews? The elimination of the Jewish people is the #1 goal of the arab people, always has been and always will be. History is evidence enough of their hatred for the Jewish race. Therefore, it is, indeed, a threat to wipe off the face of the earth one race of people and anyone who aligns themselves with that Jewish nation.
Your second paragraph is both arguable and speculative. He has repeatedly stated that he seeks the elimination of Israel. He has also repeatedly stated that he has no problem with the establishment of a Jewish state outside of the ME. I have no issue accepting Ahmadinejad's statement at face value, and see no point in exaggerating it.

My point is two-fold. First, they have every right to seek technologies that many other countries across the globe already utilize (doesn't everyone?), and second, we pushed them down this path by invading Iraq and our general bullying in the ME. Their reaction was neither unpredictable nor unexpected, especially to knowledgeable individuals such as Powell and Cheney. So ask yourself why the administration decided to provoke Iran toward seeking nuclear technology, which we have clearly done. And ask yourself why Bush is wildly exaggerating the situation with inappropriate rhetoric like "WWIII".

"If spending money you don't have is the height of stupidity, borrowing money to give it away is the height of insanity." -- anon
GeeS is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Mercedes-Benz Forums > Off-Topic

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Mercedes-Benz Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











  • Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
     
    Thread Tools
    Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
    Email this Page Email this Page
    Display Modes
    Linear Mode Linear Mode



    Similar Threads
    Topic Author Forum Replies Last Post
    Bush's Credibility in the ME DP Off-Topic 10 07-18-2007 11:47 AM
    Looks like the Chinese trying to destroy their own credibility. Bruce R. Off-Topic 1 06-29-2007 11:48 AM
    Can anyone lend some credibility to these pictures??... PizzaFace R170 SLK-Class 2 12-27-2002 04:12 PM
    what a moron Guest (MBNZ) W203 C-Class 3 06-14-2001 08:40 PM

    Posting Rules  
    You may post new threads
    You may post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is On
    HTML code is Off
    Trackbacks are On
    Pingbacks are On
    Refbacks are On

     

    Title goes here

    close
    video goes here
    description goes here. Read Full Story
    For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome