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Genetic or environmental? Please discuss your point of view.
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Speaking as a trained behavioral psychologist, I can say w/ certainty that homosexuality is a learned, and aberrant, form of behavior. It is not natural or normal, and only the most extreme of PC psych's will try to attribute causes to inherited traits and characteristics. The reasons for my position on the issue are far too numerous to discuss here, but a few would include the following:
  • There is no scientifically verifiable research evidence linking biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that cannot be accounted for by environmental factors. (And I can tell you from first-hand experience that the gay community has been desperately trying for decades to come up w/ some/any evidence to prove their behavior is genetic and not learned.)
  • Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior.
  • Many change their sexual preferences--there are many ex-homosexuals, and the vast majority of homosexuals started out as heterosexuals.
  • Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors--especially religious convictions.
Homosexuality is a complex conditioned behavior and not a minority "genetic identity" which can and does change. The left, and almost all of the gay community have been conditioned to believe that they are gay because it is genetic. To believe otherwise would require them to admit that they are abnormal. When the far, far, left-wing APA removed homosexuality from its list of abnormal behaviors several years ago I resigned my membership w/in a few days--and so did many other psychologists. It is sad that a self-proclaimed professional association scummed to political pressure and did what was Politically Correct rather than Professionally Correct. I could not, in good conscience, remain a member of such an organization.

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heh, heh......mental disorder of the highest calibre! heh, heh......
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Speaking as a trained behavioral psychologist, I can say w/ certainty that homosexuality is a learned, and aberrant, form of behavior. It is not natural or normal, and only the most extreme of PC psych's will try to attribute causes to inherited traits and characteristics. The reasons for my position on the issue are far too numerous to discuss here, but a few would include the following:
  • There is no scientifically verifiable research evidence linking biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals and homosexuals that cannot be accounted for by environmental factors. (And I can tell you from first-hand experience that the gay community has been desperately trying for decades to come up w/ some/any evidence to prove their behavior is genetic and not learned.)
  • Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior.
  • Many change their sexual preferences--there are many ex-homosexuals, and the vast majority of homosexuals started out as heterosexuals.
  • Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors--especially religious convictions.
Homosexuality is a complex conditioned behavior and not a minority "genetic identity" which can and does change. The left, and almost all of the gay community have been conditioned to believe that they are gay because it is genetic. To believe otherwise would require them to admit that they are abnormal. When the far, far, left-wing APA removed homosexuality from its list of abnormal behaviors several years ago I resigned my membership w/in a few days--and so did many other psychologists. It is sad that a self-proclaimed professional association scummed to political pressure and did what was Politically Correct rather than Professionally Correct. I could not, in good conscience, remain a member of such an organization.
Please explain why homosexuality is routinely observed among primates and other mammals as well.

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Please explain why homosexuality is routinely observed among primates and other mammals as well.
I read way back about how when rat populations get too large to support continued geometric population growth, homosexuality becomes more prevalent. Seems like it is genetic - the coding for data processing that makes one rat sexually attracted to another rat of the same sex has to be there to start with - and environmental - there has to be a trigger to "turn on" the alternate program that is environmental. So, since we likely share many of the programming features of other mammals who preceded us in the path of evolution, we likely have a genetic "permissive" set of software concerning homosexuality, and then there is an environmental or social or other trigger mechanism that selects it. But since we know Jaybaugh isn't a believer in things like evolution, he is absofuckingloutely certain homosexuality is a choice made by individuals at some point that is not permanent, why is anyone asking this question to the whole BWOT forum? Just PM that trained behavioral psychologist next time. Yeah, the same one who can't understand his own behavior patterns. Jim
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In rural areas, it's genetic, but in cities, it's environmental.

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Easy fer you to say, wit all dem good-lookin' sheep runnin' round jes throwin' temptation in yer face. Oh, dat's beestialitee -- ne'er mind.

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Easy fer you to say, wit all dem good-lookin' sheep runnin' round jes throwin' temptation in yer face. Oh, dat's beestialitee -- ne'er mind.
Quite right, and oddly, reversed, as animal... 'love'... stems from environmental.factors in rural areas and has genetic causation when found in urban settings.
In the suburbs it's a combination of the two factors that ultimately determines whether an individual will pork a porcupine or some such.

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Please explain why homosexuality is routinely observed among primates and other mammals as well.
Animals are no less likely to engage in abnormal behavior, such as homosexuality, than are humans. From studies I have seen this usually occurs as a consequence of other environmental factors such as overpopulation where there a lot more males than females--and they've got to get their rocks off somewhere. (Why do you think there are approximately as many women as men in the world? It is no freak accident of nature.) But it is strictly an environmental phenomenon. There are dozens of good books and articles that have discussed animal homosexuality, but in no way does abnormal animal behavior contradict abnormal human behavior. This article by Luiz Sérgio Solimeo is one that might help you understand: The Animal Homosexuality Myth

There have been many studies of gay twins that purport to prove gayness is genetic, and some studies have shown that sexual orientation tends to cluster in families, but that does not prove genetics is involved. If you think about it, family members--especially twins--are extremely likely to experience exactly the same environmental factors and therefore does not prove a genetic link and tends to reinforce an environmental explanation. I'm not saying that some day someone will find a "gay gene," but I am certain that the existence of that gene can only be proven by a healthy dose of environmental factors. I will concede that gayness could require a gene (though I doubt it), but that it will only occure in response to specific environmental stimuli. A gene may be necessary for gayness, but it will never be sufficient to explain that abnormal behavior.

No scientific consensus exists as to how biology influences sexual orientation, or even if it does. This is a very complex subject and does not lend itself well to easy explanations, but unless a gene is found that can explain even a small part of homosexuality--and the Human Genome Project tried and failed--I will cling to a strict environmental explanation.

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