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Rice Says Iran 'Lying' About Nukes

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Rice Says Iran 'Lying' About Nukes


Oct 11, 6:08 PM (ET)

By MATTHEW LEE

SHANNON, Ireland (AP) - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Thursday accused Iran of "lying" about the aim of its nuclear program, saying there's no doubt Tehran wants the capability to produce nuclear weapons and has deceived the U.N.'s atomic watchdog about its intentions.

"There is an Iranian history of obfuscation and, indeed, lying to the IAEA," she said, referring to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

"There is a history of Iran not answering important questions about what is going on and there is Iran pursuing nuclear technologies that can lead to nuclear weapons-grade material," Rice told reporters aboard her plane as she headed to Moscow.

U.S. officials have long accused Iran of trying to develop nuclear weapons behind the facade of a civil atomic energy program, charges that Tehran denies. But Rice's strong words, including the blunt reference to Iranian "lying," come at a critical time in dealing with the matter.

The United States is trying to win Russian support for new U.N. sanctions against Iran but has faced sharp resistance from Moscow, which has nuclear cooperation agreements with Tehran and argues the country should be given more time to come clean on its programs.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said this week there is no proof Tehran is trying to build the bomb. Rice and Defense Secretary Robert Gates are scheduled to see him in Moscow on Friday.

Washington has been pressing for more sanctions since earlier this year.

But last month, the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council - Britain, China, France the United States and Russia - and Germany agreed with the support of the European Union to hold off on a new sanctions resolution until November to allow negotiations with Iran to continue.

If no progress is made on two separate tracks - talks with E.U. foreign policy chief Javier Solana on an offer of assistance in exchange for a suspension in Iran's nuclear program and discussions with IAEA on its past activities - they are to bring the resolution to a vote.

It remains unclear, though, if Russia and China, which also opposes sanctions, will support it.

Even as work on the proposed resolution is to continue at an Oct. 17 meeting of senior diplomats in Europe, Putin said Wednesday that Russia was not convinced Iran is trying to create nuclear weapons.

His comments came after talks with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, whose government is firmly behind the U.S. sanctions drive, and appeared to deal a new blow to efforts to forge a consensus.

"We have no objective data that Iran is seeking to make atomic weapons," Putin said. "Therefore, we proceed from the assumption that Iran has no such plans."

Rice, however, stressed that Russia had signed on to the Sept. 28 agreement to consider new sanctions in November and said she did not "expect that there is any deviation from that course at this point" from the Russian side.

She also noted that Russia had in the past demonstrated its concern about Iran's program by limiting its cooperation to prevent Tehran from acquiring a full nuclear fuel cycle that could be used to produce weapons-grade material.

"That concern was seen very clearly in Russia's offer to Iran to enrich and reprocess in a joint venture and to bring back any spent fuel so that the fuel cycle wouldn't be available to Iran," she said. "I think there is a reason for that and that is suspicion about Iran's intentions."

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Well, Iran (or their president) lies about most things, so if one liar calls the other liar a liar and the other liar calls the first liar a liar, who really cares?

Other than Al Franken, of course.




On the other hand, apparently France agrees that Iran's motives are less than pure, and they're not known for sticking their white flag in where it's not invited, so maybe Rice has something here?

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Rice isn't as dumb as people make her out to be.

That said, I'm increasingly uncertain as to why we allow ourselves to get worked up over amateur night antics of sun-drenched madmen. The arguments "for" getting involved in Iraq 15 years ago, and again now, and Vietnam, and everywhere else we've been after WWII, are the same arguments I resent bleeding heart liberals for making - twisting subjective things like morals, emotions, empathy, charity, guilt, etc. all in efforts to fill the holes in their own souls at everyone's expense.

Bad things happen when you let emotions overrun common sense, or worse yet, the law of the land. These are not the causes for which nations are to be champions - they are the foolish errands of empires. True to their name, empires never last.

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twisting subjective things like morals, emotions, empathy, charity, guilt, etc. all in efforts to fill the holes in their own souls at everyone's expense.

Bad things happen when you let emotions overrun common sense, or worse yet, the law of the land. These are not the causes for which nations are to be champions - they are the foolish errands of empires. True to their name, empires never last.

Well said but I fear a few here will blast you without thought for being immoral.
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heh, heh.....is she 'Basmati' or 'Patna' Rice? heh, heh.......

Does Rice carry a mobile 'Lie Detector' in her purse? heh, heh.......Made in USA by FTL Enterprises! heh, heh...............so far known only to "bleep" in the White House! heh, heh......
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heh, heh.....is she 'Basmati' or 'Patna' Rice? heh, heh.......

Does Rice carry a mobile 'Lie Detector' in her purse? heh, heh.......Made in USA by FTL Enterprises! heh, heh...............so far known only to "bleep" in the White House! heh, heh......
I think you're in the wrong place...what you're looking for is the "Dumb Cunt" forum. To get there, click on "Private Messages", and send whatever's on your mind to "Jayhawk".
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I think you're in the wrong place...what you're looking for is the "Dumb Cunt" forum. To get there, click on "Private Messages", and send whatever's on your mind to "Jayhawk".
heh, heh....thinking is definately not one of your marques! heh, heh......should resort back to your "GA-GA mouth" avatar, did you so much justice! heh, heh.......
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heh, heh....thinking is definately not one of your marques! heh, heh......should resort back to your "GA-GA mouth" avatar, did you so much justice! heh, heh.......
^ Click "Private Messages", send a message to "Jayhawk". kthxbai.
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