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View Poll Results: Should they be tried by Iraqis
Yes, and they should be subject to Iraqi law and punishment 9 90.00%
Yes, but they should be handed back to us for jail time 0 0%
No, but WE will put them through a US court and subject them to our laws 1 10.00%
Absolutly not, Iraqi lives are worthless 0 0%
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It is very likely they KNEW things like this would happen.

Bremer and Wolfowitz when they set up the CPA specifically immunized Blackwater from prosecution by Iraqis.

They, and Blackwater, knew exactly what they were doing. It slipped by unnoticed by the press at the time.

Here we are.
No, it was happening when they issued the decree to immunize Balcwater and other mercenaries. Remember the video we had here in OT of that Benz (w126) being shot at while "the guys" were playing some music? Anyone has that link?
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I see most here have the BlackWater people guilty, just as Murtha said our soldiers were guilty in the Haditha case.

Bring those in question home after a fair investigation has found them at fault to stand trail.
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The difference between Blackwater folks and our soldiers are that our soldiers aren't civilians. There are methods (some found objectionable, but necessary) of holding soldiers to account for their actions.

Civilians are civilians. Doesn't matter what their job is. They don't enjoy the protective blanket of the US Legal System when they go to a foreign country and fuck about. They aren't "Diplomats". They don't enjoy any sort of mutually agreed-upon immunity. They know this full well. That's the risk they take in order to earn the huge paycheck.
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The difference between Blackwater folks and our soldiers are that our soldiers aren't civilians. There are methods (some found objectionable, but necessary) of holding soldiers to account for their actions.

Civilians are civilians. Doesn't matter what their job is. They don't enjoy the protective blanket of the US Legal System when they go to a foreign country and fuck about. They aren't "Diplomats". They don't enjoy any sort of mutually agreed-upon immunity. They know this full well. That's the risks they take to earn the huge paychecks.
Er, ah, excuse me sir, but ah, your wrong. Blackwater has complete immunity from like, everything.

NPR : Blackwater: The Laws Don't Apply

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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That's true too and that's why we are at a cross road with this poll.
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It is ironic that ya'll are arguing about the civilian status of Blackwater employees. The enemy we all face has stated openly that there are no civilians in this war. Every man ,woman or child that either diasgrees with their way of thinking or just plain gets in the way is a legitimate target. They set the rules of engagement.

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Guards shoot dead Iraqi women

Guards shoot dead Iraqi women

A third woman is thought to have been hurt
in the incident in Karrada [AFP]

Foreign security guards have killed two women by opening fire on a car in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad.

Unity Resources Group, a security firm based in the emirate of Dubai, said one of its teams was involved in the shooting on Tuesday.

An Iraqi government spokesman said an investigation was under way.

The shooting came the same day as Iraq's government demanded that a US security company, Blackwater, pay $8m each to families of 17 people killed in a shooting in September.

An Iraqi investigation into that incident found that the guards were unprovoked when they opened "deliberate" fire.

In a statement issued by Unity Resources Group, the company said: The first information that we have is that our security team was approached at speed by a vehicle which failed to stop despite an escalation of warnings which included hand signals and a signal flare.

"Finally shots were fired at the vehicle and it stopped."

Witness accounts

Ammar Fallah, a shopkeeper and witness to the shooting, said that the guards, who were escorting a civilian convoy through the streets, signalled for a woman driving a white Oldsmobile car to pull over as they passed.

"When she failed to do so they opened fire, killing her and the woman next to her," he said

"Iraq is still under foreign occupation and Iraqis continue to die in great numbers"

"There were two children in the back seat but they were not harmed. The women were both shot in the head."

Another witness, Sattar Jabar, said that the private car had moved too close to the convoy.

"It tried to avoid the convoy of four white SUVs of the foreigners, but it came close to the last vehicle, which then opened fire immediately."

Jabar confirmed that two women were killed, but said a third woman in the back seat had been wounded in the shoulder. One of the children had been struck by flying glass.

A policeman who heard the shots and came running to the scene said that after the shooting the security guards "rode away like gangsters".

Tough on security

The Iraqi government said on Monday it was determined to rein in private security contractors following the Blackwater shooting.

"We have set strict mechanisms to control the behaviour of the security companies and their conduct in the streets," Abdul Karim Khalaf, interior

ministry spokesman, said.

"We have set strict mechanisms to control the behaviour of the security companies and their conduct in the streets"

Abdul Karim Khalaf, Iraq interior ministry spokesman

The role of private security companies operating in Iraq has been under investigation since September 16, when Blackwater guards escorting a convoy of US diplomats opened fire in Baghdad's Nisoor Square.

An Iraqi government probe of the incident, which it said killed 17 civilians, found that the guards were not provoked and accused them of a "deliberate" crime.

"Employees of the company violated the rules governing use of force by security companies. They have committed a deliberate crime and should be punished under the law."

The Iraqi government would now take "judicial measures to punish the company," the statement said.

Blackwater, one of the biggest security firms working in Iraq with around 1,000 staff members, is employed to protect US government personnel in the country. It maintains its men were legitimately responding to an ambush while escorting a US state department convoy.

Iraqi and US officials have set up a joint commission to investigate the activities of private security companies in the country.
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ON Feb. 23, 1945, the USAAJ during operation matterhorn, fire bombed Tokyo. Casualties were estimated between 80,000 and 100,000 people, most of them old men women and children. In Vietnam, there was a big todo made about a photo of a little girl who was running down the street, severly burned after her hooch was torched. The photos that were never published were the ones of 8 to 10 year old boys and girls throwing grenades at passing squads of GIs. War is never pretty or cheap and should always be the last resort to a sane mind.

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