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[QUOTE=FeelTheLove;2575041]"All imperialist nations have met disaster."

Everything has a life cycle, more often than not free will decides the outcome. All nations disentigrate at some point and the reasons are many; be it weather, enemies, or disinterest.

"The US Constitution is the embodiment of the idea that while society's needs must be recognized, it is the individual who is paramount."

The individual rules, that is until a multitude of individuals use religion, faith, and patriotism to control you through something as simple as numbers. Do you think North America became what it is today without sacrifice, slavery, and wholesale native indian slaughter and neglect?

"Your idea of how nation's fall is your own."

History begs to differ as far back as the written word can be traced. Nations are there as a practical entity to give something in return for services rendered. When the return is no longer enough, or someone else offers more, then it is time for it to go. Ancient Greenland's small farming community dried up when the small ice age came, the natives left for warmer areas that would support life as they knew it. Rome spent centuries in decay as the marauders from the north became more sophisticated and offered local natives more than the Romans could give.

"If it withstands the current onslaught against it's ideals, it will stand forever."

You and I agree here, the onslaught has been sickening to watch. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Good intentions like becoming passive in a progressive world.
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I heard he's pregnant, and went upstate to have the baby.
heh, heh......"Botsmary's Baby!" heh, heh.........
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No child left behind just lowers the bar for the multitude of dimwits the system spews out.
IMO, college education should be free, as a Nations investment in the future, to be repaid by greater tax returns from more productive, and higher earning people.
The present system allows one class to perpetuate itself.
Without drastic changes, the real 'good morning America' might prove to be a rude awakening.
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No child left behind just lowers the bar for the multitude of dimwits the system spews out.
IMO, college education should be free, as a Nations investment in the future, to be repaid by greater tax returns from more productive, and higher earning people.
The present system allows one class to perpetuate itself.
Without drastic changes, the real 'good morning America' might prove to be a rude awakening.
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This threads not about reality Ron. It's about wether Botnst is a knotsy or Feel the Love is a re-education camp director for the 'mind police'.
Hey, dope, why don't you go fuck yourself ?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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"All imperialist nations have met disaster."

Everything has a life cycle, more often than not free will decides the outcome. All nations disentigrate at some point and the reasons are many; be it weather, enemies, or disinterest.

"The US Constitution is the embodiment of the idea that while society's needs must be recognized, it is the individual who is paramount."

The individual rules, that is until a multitude of individuals use religion, faith, and patriotism to control you through something as simple as numbers. Do you think North America became what it is today without sacrifice, slavery, and wholesale native indian slaughter and neglect?

"Your idea of how nation's fall is your own."

History begs to differ as far back as the written word can be traced. Nations are there as a practical entity to give something in return for services rendered. When the return is no longer enough, or someone else offers more, then it is time for it to go. Ancient Greenland's small farming community dried up when the small ice age came, the natives left for warmer areas that would support life as they knew it. Rome spent centuries in decay as the marauders from the north became more sophisticated and offered local natives more than the Romans could give.

"If it withstands the current onslaught against it's ideals, it will stand forever."

You and I agree here, the onslaught has been sickening to watch. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Good intentions like becoming passive in a progressive world.
I'm trying to find the germ of some logical system here and I cannot. History begs to differ? You seem to think that immutable laws operate in history as they do in physics. They do not. Human history is a mismash of random events at any given time. We are not faced with hordes of barbarian invaders, nor are we a small farm community on the edge of the Arctic. We are a constantly changing nation that goes through a renewal process every four years living in a system where the electorate is given the option of revolution at that time, if that is what 2/3's of the people in 3/4's of the state wish - no other nation on this earth has that right. Random events push us to where we are, and the electorate still has the right to react. Singular events cause anomalies to occur. Complex interrelations within the system become infinitely more complex. There are no predictors or laws operating that give indication of our ultimate fate. You seem to claim to know some great weakness that will destroy us and bring us to our knees, that if we do not kill and slaughter for what we want, we will be destroyed. It is an old and stupid idea.

We are under no "onslaught", we are faced with bands of bandits and an organizing global economy still in its infancy. Domination will bring us nothing but grief, and destroy us the way it destroyed the British Empire, which in a nutshell is what the neocons want. Our worst enemy is ourselves through the arrogance you put on display here. We have no more rights to a country's asset than anyone else, and we must act as all others do, in the marketplace, to obtain what we want, or find a substitute for it. Your logic is upside down. The Romans did not wish to go through the trouble, and destroyed itself by doing so. So will we. It is your path that leads to national destruction, not mine. Once a nation decides on imperialism, it becomes lazy and loses its ability for innovation and competition. That is what leads to destruction.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Hey, dope, why don't you go fuck yourself ?
That's a good start. Try using more suggestives in place of imperatives.

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