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Poem?

I do like a bit of Nick Caves work , dark yet full of light .Contemporary poem's or lyrics you dig , lay them down , don't do a Nicene Council tell me your truth.



Take a little walk to the edge of town
Go across the tracks
Where the viaduct looms,
like a bird of doom
As it shifts and cracks
Where secrets lie in the border fires,
in the humming wires
Hey man, you know
you're never coming back
Past the square, past the bridge,
past the mills, past the stacks
On a gathering storm comes
a tall handsome man
In a dusty black coat with
a red right hand

He'll wrap you in his arms,
tell you that you've been a good boy
He'll rekindle all the dreams
it took you a lifetime to destroy
He'll reach deep into the hole,
heal your shrinking soul
But there won't be a single thing
That you can do.
He's a god, he's a man,
he's a ghost, he's a guru
They're whispering his name
through this disappearing land
But hidden in his coat
is a red right hand

You ain't got no money?
He'll get you some
You ain't got no car?
He'll get you one
You ain't have no self-respect,
you feel like an insect
Well don't you worry buddy,
cause here he comes
Through the ghettos and the barrio
and the bowery and the slum
A shadow is cast wherever he stands
Stacks of green paper in his
red right hand

You'll see him in your nightmares,
you'll see him in your dreams
He'll appear out of nowhere but
he ain't what he seems
You'll see him in your head,
on the TV screen
And hey buddy, I'm warning
you to turn it off
He's a ghost, he's a god,
he's a man, he's a guru
You're one microscopic cog
in his catastrophic plan
Designed and directed by
his red right hand
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heh, heh.......Yawn! heh, heh......zzzzz!
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Fuck off you cunt punjabi , I don't know how many times you need to be fucking told you fucking retarded delivery boy , go post on other peoples threads and stay the fuck away form me , you fucking arse wipe .
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heh, heh......YAWN, Again! heh, heh.....must say your spelling shows some improvement but the prose content reflects your deprived, abused, disturbing upbringing! heh, heh.......
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Fuck off you fucking Parasite ,Your whole culture is a backwards fuck up your nothing but a piece of shit on the English shoe . If you want a flame thread , start one , in the mean time fuck off .

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heh, heh....you don't stutter in your speech, do you? heh, heh......I can sense it from your emotional posts! heh, heh......maybe it is just a consistent nervous disposition along with the phsycological disorder you evidently suffer from heh, heh......maybe worth your while to consult a Russian 'Shrink!' heh, heh........
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worthles bag of backwards trolling shit !

1. One Jagir Kaur and an Assistant Manager in the FCI are accused of killing their daughters solely because the latter chose to marry men of their own choice. Both are accused of having committed murder simply because the boys their daughters chose did not belong to their caste. This obsession with their clan and caste refuses to leave Punjabis even though Sikhism preaches against casteism.

2. Three Punjabi NRI parents hired killers to kill their daughters as well as the boys whom they had married against their wishes. In these cases, the girls had not married boys out of their caste. Hence, the killings of the daughters were ordered apparently to assuage their ego and prestige that was injured because the daughters had dared to make their own choice. The concept of supari killing, once totally alien to Punjabis, has entered the state, thanks to NRI money. The supari killings in the rest of the world and specifically in Mumbai are usually carried out to settle disputes related to money, land and property. But Punjabis have taken the lead in using this method of killing to get rid of their daughters.




3. The highest number of brides is killed in Punjab, with Andhra Pradesh as the close second. Apparently, Punjabis have introduced the most brutal methods of killing daughters-in-law. They either burn her alive or poison her food or physically assault her. These widely reported methods have been picked up by other states as well.

I fail to fathom why Punjabis, who are so protective towards their women, suffer from this paradoxical swing against them. When cases of dowry deaths, foeticide, infanticide are reported from the rural areas, I often console myself with the thought that ignorance and lack of education and awareness must be the root cause. But when someone like Jagir Kaur, who has studied in Government College for Girls, Chandigarh, commits such a heinous act, I find it hard to come to terms with it. Doesn’t one grow out of casteism by receiving education in a progressive and modern city.

However, the case of Rattandeep Kaur, whose father Harmit Singh Gujral has confessed to the police that he had stabbed his daughter, is most shocking in these modern times. Her body had 14 stab wounds and the room was full of bloodstains as per the pictures that appeared in newspapers. The physical cruelty that the father indulged in against his daughter in the presence of an adult son, wife and a minor son is a pointer to the fact that none of them came to the rescue of the victim. The natural reflex system of anybody would have been to save the girl but by mutely watching the crime being committed they have bared that they too felt that she asked for it.

Harmit Singh and his family are educated people and as per reports are religious and regularly visit the gurdwara. The Sikh religion not only preaches that no human being has any right to take anybody’s life but also says dukh na dein kise jeev, pat seon ghar jaoon (Do not cause pain to anyone, one has to go to the Lord’s house without guilt or stigma).

The Guru Granth Sahib says: "Kabir zore kiya, so zulum hai, le jawab khudaiye." (Kabir it is an atrocity to commit excess, God will seek an answer).

"Jo rat pivey mansa, tin kyon nirmal cheet." (One who kills a human being, his mind cannot be pure and at peace).

Apparently, neither education nor religion helped the couple to allow their daughter to select a boy of her choice as her companion of life. Acting totally against their religion, they not only tortured her mentally and physically but also signed her death warrant. Rattandeep, as it appears, believed in the assurance given by her parents to her husband that they would allow him to live with their daughter if he started his own business. But they breached her trust much before the boy could fulfil the task given to him.

Now have a look at another case, wherein Sunanda Arora had called her parents and said that her in-laws and husband had poisoned her. By the time her parents reached her marital home, her condition was critical. But before death caught up with her, Sunanda gave a dying statement to the doctors and the police. The end result is that the district courts have sentenced to life imprisonment her father-in-law, Nanak Singh Arora (former SDM, Ambala) and her husband, Sanjay Arora.

This case is similar to that of the Gujrals’. Not only did Sunanda’s father-in-law enjoy a powerful position as a bureaucrat but his son too was a well-educated person. This family, too, was religious. Yet, neither religion nor education nor exposure to urban life helped them to respect the life of their daughter-in-law.

All such hair-raising acts raise a question: Why is there a lack of social support system for these hapless girls. In all the aforesaid cases, the girls had no one with whom they could discuss their fears, apprehensions and tribulations except their own parents, who were either opposed to them or feared societal ridicule. Unfailingly, in dowry deaths, the girls’ parents talk about the dowry demands, mental and physical harassment only when the girls are already dead.

It is quite evident that that these parents need counselling, which has to be radical and must challenge some accepted social customs. Such parents need consistent and specialised counselling to enable them to take steps that would save the lives of their daughters. Also such parents have to be made to understand that there is no point in trying to save a marriage that might take the life of their daughter.

Similarly, the girls who chose to marry against the wishes of their parents also need to be protected and guided. There is no denying the fact that there are times when the girls are misled by unscrupulous characters. But the cases of Rattandeep and Jagir Kaur’s daughter, Harpreet Kaur, certainly did not fall in this category. Yet, they had to lose their lives. It is quite obvious that Punjab desperately needs well-meaning NGOs to come to the rescue of such girls. If only Rattandeep and Harpreet Kaur were in the custody of some NGO then their parents would not have been able to take their lives.
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Old attitudes

Handed the little girl, not yet 10 minutes old, the women of the family were disapproving and edgy, fretful perhaps of how they would break the news to the men folk, who had not even come to the hospital.

On the maternity ward a few minutes later, I was asked by one of the ladies - the mother's sister, I think - whether we would like to name the baby girl.



Why pay 50,000 rupees to your new in-laws when you can pay 500 rupees for an abortion?

Soap opera to save girls
Cradles collect girls

We demurred, of course. Then came an even more extraordinary request: did we want to take the baby, not just to hold, but to have?

In another time, she might have been killed.

For this prosperous Punjabi family, we seemingly offered a less savage means of disposal.

In modern-day India, sex selection, the all-too-common practice by which female foetuses are terminated before birth, conforms to a very different and disturbing calculus: increased wealth brings increased access to prenatal ultrasounds and sonograms.

New and more widely available technology, the engine of India's relentless economic growth, is also fuelling female foeticide.

Illegal

According to a study by Unicef, a higher percentage of boys are born now than 10 years ago in 80% of India's districts.

FACTS AND FIGURES
Female infanticide occurs in 80% of states
Worst-affected states include wealthiest areas
927 girls born for every 1,000 boys
Infant mortality rate: 60/1,000
Source: Unicef

Only last month in the state of Orissa, the skulls of 40 female foetuses and newborn girls were discovered in an abandoned well.

More distressing still, sex selection is worst in the most affluent parts of the country: Punjab, Haryana, Gujarat.

In northern Punjab, for example, there are just 798 girls under the age of six for every 1,000 boys. The national average is 927.
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