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  • my email is subject to search and review without benefit of a court order
  • my phone records no longer require a court order to be pulled
  • my ISP is required to provide all my internet activities with a "letter of request", not a court order
  • my freedom to gather and protest is constrained as protesters are now listed as terrorist organizations and members can be refused flight, entry or exit from country.
  • my freedom to write to my newspaper is constrained as now it can be used against me to question my entry into the country [see previous thread on the subject]
  • data one my travel, purchases and life patterns are now in government databases where they, along with everyone elses are streamed for patterns that do not meet norms, all without consent or court order.
How many more would you like me to list. Rights are never taken away in broad strokes, even the stupid would notice that. They are always eroded in insidious little acts that whittle them away, as people sit like the proverbial frog setting in the pot of water, enjoying the warmth, all the way up until the boiling starts.
That is a series of clear unambiguous moves towards fascism, by any reasonable measure. I was unaware of all of that.

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MD Police Put Activists' Names On Terror Lists

(Washington Post) The Maryland State Police classified 53 nonviolent activists as terrorists and entered their names and personal information into state and federal databases that track terrorism suspects, the state police chief acknowledged yesterday.

Police Superintendent Terrence B. Sheridan revealed at a legislative hearing that the surveillance operation, which targeted opponents of the death penalty and the Iraq war, was far more extensive than was known when its existence was disclosed in July.

The department started sending letters of notification Saturday to the activists, inviting them to review their files before they are purged from the databases, Sheridan said.

"The names don't belong in there," he told the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee. "It's as simple as that."

The surveillance took place over 14 months in 2005 and 2006, under the administration of former governor Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R). The former state police superintendent who authorized the operation, Thomas E. Hutchins, defended the program in testimony yesterday. Hutchins said the program was a bulwark against potential violence and called the activists "fringe people."

Sheridan said protest groups were also entered as terrorist organizations in the databases, but his staff has not identified which ones.

Stunned senators pressed Sheridan to apologize to the activists for the spying, assailed in an independent review last week as "overreaching" by law enforcement officials who were oblivious to their violation of the activists' rights of free expression and association. The letter, obtained by The Washington Post, does not apologize but admits that the state police have "no evidence whatsoever of any involvement in violent crime" by those classified as terrorists.

Hutchins told the committee it was not accurate to describe the program as spying. "I doubt anyone who has used that term has ever met a spy," he told the committee.

"What John Walker did is spying," Hutchins said, referring to John Walker Jr., a communications specialist for the U.S. Navy convicted of selling secrets to the Soviet Union. Hutchins said the intelligence agents, whose logs were obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union of Maryland as part of a lawsuit, were monitoring "open public meetings." His officers sought a "situational awareness" of the potential for disruption as death penalty opponents prepared to protest the executions of two men on death row, Hutchins said.

"I don't believe the First Amendment is any guarantee to those who wish to disrupt the government," he said. Hutchins said he did not notify Ehrlich about the surveillance. Ehrlich spokesman Henry Fawell said the governor had no comment.

Hutchins did not name the commander in the Division of Homeland Security and Intelligence who informed him in March 2005 that the surveillance had begun. More than a year later, after "they said, 'We're not getting much here,' " Hutchins said he cut off what he called a "low-level operation."

But Sen. James Brochin (D-Baltimore County) noted that undercover troopers used aliases to infiltrate organizational meetings, rallies and group e-mail lists. He called the spying a "deliberate infiltration to find out every piece of information necessary" on groups such as the Maryland Campaign to End the Death Penalty and the Baltimore Pledge of Resistance. When Hutchins called their members "fringe people," the audience of activists who filled the seats in the hearing room in Annapolis sighed.

Some activists said yesterday that they have received letters; others said they were waiting with anticipation to see whether they were on the state police watch list.

Laura Lising of Catonsville, a member of the Baltimore Coalition Against the Death Penalty, received her notification yesterday. She said she wants a hard copy of her file, because she does not trust the police to purge it. "We need as much protection as possible," she said.

Both Hutchins and Sheridan said the activists' names were entered into the state police database as terrorists partly because the software offered limited options for classifying entries.

The police also entered the activists' names into the federal Washington-Baltimore High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area database, which tracks suspected terrorists. One well-known antiwar activist from Baltimore, Max Obuszewski, was singled out in the intelligence logs released by the ACLU, which described a "primary crime" of "terrorism-anti-government" and a "secondary crime" of "terrorism-anti-war protesters."

Sheridan said that he did not think the names were circulated to other agencies in the federal system and that they are not on the federal government's terrorist watch list. Hutchins said some names might have been shared with the National Security Agency.

Although the independent report on the surveillance released last week said that it was part of a broad effort by the state police to gather information on protest groups across the state, Sheridan said the department is not aware of any surveillance as "intrusive" as the spying on death penalty and war opponents.

The police notified the protesters at the recommendation of former U.S. attorney and state attorney general Stephen H. Sachs, who was appointed by Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) to review the covert monitoring. In a report last week, Sachs also recommended regulations that forbid such spying on protest groups unless the state police chief believes it is justified.

"I can't imagine getting a letter that says, 'You've been classified as a terrorist; come in and we'll tell about it,'" said Sen. Bryan W. Simonaire (R-Anne Arundel). Two senators noted that they had been arrested years ago for civil disobedience. Sen. Jennie Forehand (D-Montgomery) asked Sheridan, "Do you have any legislators on your list?" The answer was no.

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Ah, the Bush Legacy. It just keeps on keeping on.

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They had it comin'. They were askin' for it. They deserved it. They, they, they, and a little more they; never ever us in any form.
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It's got nothing to do with Bush but everything to do with Maryland. The signs welcoming you to Maryland at the State Lines say "Welcome To Maryland, The Free State', but it's really more like the 'Police State'.

Both the Montgomery County and Prince Georges County Maryland police are rather brutal, with PG being the worst. PG Police have a reputation for shooting first and asking questions later. Both counties border DC.

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List the rights you have personally lost as a result of the current administration.
Habeas corpus

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It's got nothing to do with Bush but everything to do with Maryland. The signs welcoming you to Maryland at the State Lines say "Welcome To Maryland, The Free State', but it's really more like the 'Police State'.

Both the Montgomery County and Prince Georges County Maryland police are rather brutal, with PG being the worst. PG Police have a reputation for shooting first and asking questions later. Both counties border DC.
actually, no. america is looking more and more like police state not just b-more. this kind of shit is going on throughout the country and you're a fool if you think otherwise.



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Mr. mzsmbs, you still have Habeas Corpus, unless you were picked up on the battlefiled. You also have the perfect opportunity to make a change, the election is in two weeks so vote the bastards out. I'm going to. the Congresscritters have totally screwed this country up and need to be thrown out.

Perhaps you can't vote since you're 9 years old, according to your profile.

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Then explain the Padilla case.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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This all speaks to the mindset of suspicion and fear that the Bush administration has nurtured in our country. Could the situation in MD have occurred before 2000? Perhaps, but I sincerely doubt it.

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