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This sounds like a STATE issue not a fedeal one. How is this Bush's fault? Whay are security guards in school? The security guards are employed by the local school system.

The girl and her family should sue under the state and federal civil rights statutes. The SCHOOL system and school principal should be personally sued.
It's not a judgement on Bush alone wbain but on the whole ethos of this brave new America that has been rammed though on the back of 9/11, That the states is now all but by name a fascist country with rightwing fucktards creaming and bullying their way through the system and freedoms being eroded more everyday with officialdom and SS like behaviour being dished out to all with little or no resistant's. The America I lived in , was a live free or die place , not a shut the fuck up bitch kinda place, how the times have changed.
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List the rights you have personally lost as a result of the current administration.

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American freedom is generally classified in this way:

Freedom of speech and expression
Freedom of every person to worship in his own way
Freedom from hunger
Freedom from fear

I would say freedom from fear is being routinely violated in this increasingly fucked up country, where your political party uses fear as a weapon to achieve its political aims.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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I don't recall seeing freedom from hunger or fear in the COTUS. Or indeed in any piece of formative legislation. You wouldn't be trying to rewrite history to suit your own views, would you?
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I am gob smackedI honestly dont know how to respond to this thread I am confused and sad to read such a thread. If we cannot protect the children of this world then WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

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Dear Friend,

Fix it. Defend the Constitution! That’s the message we have to send to Speaker Pelosi, Senator Reid and every member of Congress over the next 20 days.

By all indications, the House and Senate will cast critical votes within three weeks — deciding whether or not to make the vast new spying powers that they granted the Bush Administration in August permanent.

We can't let that happen. That's why we're starting the FISA Flood of 2007 with today's leadership switchboard shutdown. All our members of Congress but especially leadership — who control the agenda and whose actions impact us all — need to know just how many Americans demand they act to restore the Constitution. Here's three things you can do, right now:

1. Call House Speaker Nancy Pelosi at (202) 225-4965.

2. Call Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid at (202) 224-3542.

3. Call your own representative. You can look up your representative's phone number here.

It’s clear what freedom demands. And this is what we need every Member of Congress to hear:

Congress should not act on FISA until the Bush administration hands over the documents about the NSA wiretapping program.

Any legislation to permanently amend FISA must restore judicial review and protect the privacy rights of innocent Americans.

The government should receive only the information it is authorized to intercept by law, it should not be given direct and unfettered access to telecommunications infrastructure.

And the legislation must not grant amnesty to telecom companies that broke the law by illegally releasing Americans’ phone calls and records to the government.
Call right now as we launch the FISA Flood of 2007 — a monumental outpouring of grassroots energy. Demand that Congress stand strong by standing up for the Constitution, not caving in to the Bush Administration.

When Congress caved in to Bush fear-mongering by passing FISA legislation temporarily allowing the government to intercept the calls and emails of innocent Americans without a court order, there was a massive outcry from freedom-loving people across the country. Reeling from the backlash, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi promised to “fix” the legislation on their return this fall.

Now, as critical new votes approach, we’ve got to make it absolutely clear to Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and every member of Congress that fixing — not expanding — this ill-begotten law is exactly what we expect and demand.

Call right now: Join the the FISA Flood of 2007.

Earlier this week, the ACLU launched Don’t Wait for ’08 — a 100-day campaign urging Congress to act now to restore liberties lost during the relentless Bush assault on our civil liberties. Now, it seems apparent that the first 20 days of that campaign leading up to “make-or-break” FISA votes in mid-October could well be the most critical.

Given this Congress’ track record, we can’t leave anything to chance. In the days ahead, The FISA Flood of 2007 will unleash wave after wave of grassroots actions making it clear that we won’t tolerate waffling, wavering or wimping out when our fundamental freedoms are on the line.

We’ve got to make ourselves heard. Let our members of Congress know: if they stand tall for freedom, we will stand with them through thick and thin. And make sure they understand that, if they sell out the Constitution, we will unleash a wave of public protests and outrage unlike anything they have ever seen.

Make three phone calls for the Constitution right now.

Next, record your participation in our FISA Flood of 2007 tally. And then, forward this message to as many people as possible.

The ACLU is reaching out not only to our 550,000 ACLU members, but to every online activist who cares about protecting our most cherished freedoms. We need you to act immediately.

Help launch the FISA Flood of 2007 right now. Be part of a dramatic and sustained outpouring of concern that won’t yield until Congress has acted to protect the Constitution and reverse the civil liberties travesty that Congress perpetrated on the American people by granting President Bush vast new spying powers.

Thanks for standing with us.

Sincerely,


Caroline Fredrickson, Director
ACLU Washington Legislative Office

P.S. Help build the first powerful wave of the FISA Flood of 2007. Make your three phone calls for the Constitution right now. Next, record your participation in our FISA Flood of 2007 tally. And then, forward this message to as many people as possible.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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List the rights you have personally lost as a result of the current administration.
  • my email is subject to search and review without benefit of a court order
  • my phone records no longer require a court order to be pulled
  • my ISP is required to provide all my internet activities with a "letter of request", not a court order
  • my freedom to gather and protest is constrained as protesters are now listed as terrorist organizations and members can be refused flight, entry or exit from country.
  • my freedom to write to my newspaper is constrained as now it can be used against me to question my entry into the country [see previous thread on the subject]
  • data one my travel, purchases and life patterns are now in government databases where they, along with everyone elses are streamed for patterns that do not meet norms, all without consent or court order.
How many more would you like me to list. Rights are never taken away in broad strokes, even the stupid would notice that. They are always eroded in insidious little acts that whittle them away, as people sit like the proverbial frog setting in the pot of water, enjoying the warmth, all the way up until the boiling starts.

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Dear Friend,

Fix it. Defend the Constitution! That’s the message we have to send to Speaker Pelosi, Senator Reid and every member of Congress over the next 20 days.

By all indications, the House and Senate will cast critical votes within three weeks — deciding whether or not to make the vast new spying powers that they granted the Bush Administration in August permanent.

We can't let that happen. That's why we're starting the FISA Flood of 2007 with today's leadership switchboard shutdown. All our members of Congress but especially leadership — who control the agenda and whose actions impact us all — need to know just how many Americans demand they act to restore the Constitution. Here's three things you can do, right now:

1. Call House Speaker Nancy Pelosi at (202) 225-4965.

2. Call Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid at (202) 224-3542.

3. Call your own representative. You can look up your representative's phone number here.

It’s clear what freedom demands. And this is what we need every Member of Congress to hear:

Congress should not act on FISA until the Bush administration hands over the documents about the NSA wiretapping program.

Any legislation to permanently amend FISA must restore judicial review and protect the privacy rights of innocent Americans.

The government should receive only the information it is authorized to intercept by law, it should not be given direct and unfettered access to telecommunications infrastructure.

And the legislation must not grant amnesty to telecom companies that broke the law by illegally releasing Americans’ phone calls and records to the government.
Call right now as we launch the FISA Flood of 2007 — a monumental outpouring of grassroots energy. Demand that Congress stand strong by standing up for the Constitution, not caving in to the Bush Administration.

When Congress caved in to Bush fear-mongering by passing FISA legislation temporarily allowing the government to intercept the calls and emails of innocent Americans without a court order, there was a massive outcry from freedom-loving people across the country. Reeling from the backlash, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi promised to “fix” the legislation on their return this fall.

Now, as critical new votes approach, we’ve got to make it absolutely clear to Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and every member of Congress that fixing — not expanding — this ill-begotten law is exactly what we expect and demand.

Call right now: Join the the FISA Flood of 2007.

Earlier this week, the ACLU launched Don’t Wait for ’08 — a 100-day campaign urging Congress to act now to restore liberties lost during the relentless Bush assault on our civil liberties. Now, it seems apparent that the first 20 days of that campaign leading up to “make-or-break” FISA votes in mid-October could well be the most critical.

Given this Congress’ track record, we can’t leave anything to chance. In the days ahead, The FISA Flood of 2007 will unleash wave after wave of grassroots actions making it clear that we won’t tolerate waffling, wavering or wimping out when our fundamental freedoms are on the line.

We’ve got to make ourselves heard. Let our members of Congress know: if they stand tall for freedom, we will stand with them through thick and thin. And make sure they understand that, if they sell out the Constitution, we will unleash a wave of public protests and outrage unlike anything they have ever seen.

Make three phone calls for the Constitution right now.

Next, record your participation in our FISA Flood of 2007 tally. And then, forward this message to as many people as possible.

The ACLU is reaching out not only to our 550,000 ACLU members, but to every online activist who cares about protecting our most cherished freedoms. We need you to act immediately.

Help launch the FISA Flood of 2007 right now. Be part of a dramatic and sustained outpouring of concern that won’t yield until Congress has acted to protect the Constitution and reverse the civil liberties travesty that Congress perpetrated on the American people by granting President Bush vast new spying powers.

Thanks for standing with us.

Sincerely,


Caroline Fredrickson, Director
ACLU Washington Legislative Office

P.S. Help build the first powerful wave of the FISA Flood of 2007. Make your three phone calls for the Constitution right now. Next, record your participation in our FISA Flood of 2007 tally. And then, forward this message to as many people as possible.
While I will have no problem finding the laws and votes that make up this request, I would assume that many would not either know how to find them or be inclined to do the searches necessary. It would be nice if the ACLU would have put the names of the Fn Bills on the announcement instead of spending so much time on the catchy FISA FLOOD title.

The ACLU SO hates hearing from me on things like this. Email that starts out "I know you mean well, and this most likely worked well in your head but do you think you could possibly share ALL the important details before you hit the ENTER key..."

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How about my right to be presumed innocent UNTIL proven guilty , my right to legal counsel or for the Geneva convention to be honoured.
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