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stick to the facts gentlemen please. The fact is this is an oppressive junta and needs to be dealt with. This problem can be fixed but it needs local players to deal with it.
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stick to the facts gentlemen please. The fact is this is an oppressive junta and needs to be dealt with. This problem can be fixed but it needs local players to deal with it.
true, but Rob's got it about right on regarding regional intervention.

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As you said in your previous post the "regional players" should help out and become active, that would be where the Asian mentality would come in to play, sorry for having to point out such an obvious point. Point in case, Thailand's Ruling Military Junta have been chasitized for keeping such a low profile when talking about the subject of Burma and the atrocities taking place other Asian neighbors are speaking up but in a sedate way. China is the only one speaking with some authority but this is entirely from a business/captilistic point of view and not from a human riights point of view. The Chinese will not do anything to help the people of Burma, they are only looking after thier business interests.
Japan is too preoccupied with political musical chairs and aside from aggressive imperial past, the hawkish right wing stance of the government during the last decade does not add confidence to the Burmese in distress. China is about the only viable option but no communist Chinese regime has acted without self-interest and don't expect the current politburo to act differently.

In the end, it just seems a lost cause as no one sees any benefit in toppling the Burmese junta.

Regarding UN, what would Kofi Annan have done? I find that the new Secretary General, Ban Ki Moon, lacks the charisma and leadership Kofi possessed in abundance.

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stick to the facts gentlemen please. The fact is this is an oppressive junta and needs to be dealt with. This problem can be fixed but it needs local players to deal with it.
China and India are two Countries with a chance to affect change.
Both have heavily invested in Myanmar, but prefer to ignore the problem and do nothing.
Shame on them, and the rest of the 'foreign community.'
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China and India are two Countries with a chance to affect change.
Both have heavily invested in Myanmar, but prefer to ignore the problem and do nothing.
Shame on them, and the rest of the 'foreign community.'
Historically, modern India has never been the one to broker peace for another country. While Dalai Lama is famously sheltered in India, the circumstances that brought Dalai Lama into India was by virtue of India being closest country to where he was.

Indian government of Nehru did nothing to criticize the Chinese repression of Tibet.

Don't expect India to act for the sake of Myanmar - shame indeed.

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China and India are two Countries with a chance to affect change.
Both have heavily invested in Myanmar, but prefer to ignore the problem and do nothing.
Shame on them, and the rest of the 'foreign community.'
As you point out China & India have made huge investments in Burma, the Generals of Burma are like their financial brokers keeping and making sure their investments remain safe, since these investments are physically based in Burma then China and India cannot just call up their brokers and to tell them to sell, they are locked in to Burma. Besides they need the energy reserves they have invested in for their countries future, they have counted on this coming through for them and meet their growing needs.

As for the Asian neighbors, they are just that Asian NEIGHBORS. The Asian mental attitude regarding neighbors is they mind their business and I mind mine. Some may speak out but it would be sedate at best and never would it offend and any physical involvement of any kind of activity such as helping/arming the protesters would just never happen. With the international community putting sanctions on the military junta not just the new ones they have implemented now but including the ones they have implemented in the past have all been skirted around with the help of the neighbors with high level conected people and large sums of money trading hands. Thailand for sure, Malaysia to a lesser degree and even Singapore with their strict banking secrecy laws is probably holding accounts for some of the Generals.

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