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Originally Posted by deathrattle
^^^ What's a 'num num'?
Ha hah we rumbled you johnny foreigner , a brit would know what birdie num num is ! lol , 1968 .....come on come on .....The Party ! see ya did know
anyway back to the killing ....
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Damn, I'm totally sussed. I own up, I'm from K-Pax.

And anyway, I'm no big Sellers fan and 1968 is waaaaay before my time!
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The message: no end. war forever. Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.

9 U.S. Soldiers Dead In Iraq
Meanwhile, Al-Maliki Says Iraqi Forces Not Ready To Take Over Security From U.S. Military

(AP) Nine U.S. soldiers died in Iraq, the military said Monday, including seven in a vehicle accident during a prisoner transport in Baghdad, the U.S. command said. Two of the prisoners also died.

The seven Multinational Division - Baghdad soldiers were killed and 11 others wounded in a western section of the capital, the military said in a statement. Two prisoners detained previously and being transported were killed in the accident, and a third was injured, the military said.

The military said it did not immediately have further details.

Another soldier was killed and two more were injured east of Baghdad in a non-combat incident when their vehicle overturned and caught fire, according to a separate statement.

The cause of both accidents are under investigation, the military said.

A Task Force Lightning soldier also died from injuries sustained during an attack Sunday in northern Iraq, the U.S. command said. The soldier's patrol came under rocket fire in the Kirkuk area.

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki told lawmakers Monday that Iraqi forces were not ready to take over security from the U.S. military across the country.

"There have been tangible improvements in security in the recent period in Baghdad and the provinces but it is not enough," he told parliament. "Despite the security improvement, we still need more efforts and time in order for our armed forces to be able to take over security in all Iraqi provinces from the multinational forces that helped us in a great way in fighting terrorism and outlaws."

Al-Maliki made the comment hours before the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Ryan Crocker, and top U.S. commander Gen. David Petraeus were to appear in the U.S. Congress to deliver reports on Iraq's progress amid a debate over calls to start bringing American troops home.

The two Americans were widely expected to maintain that this year's troop buildup has reduced violent attacks in Baghdad and argue for more time to restore security.

Al-Maliki said that violence had dropped 75 percent in the Baghdad area since the U.S. began pouring in additional troops at the start of the year. He gave no figures.

"The key to reconstruction, economic development and improving peoples' standard of living is security," he said.

Still, attacks in the capital have picked up in recent days in the run-up to the report and as the Muslim holy month of Ramadan nears, a time when violence usually spikes higher.

CBS News chief foreign correspondent Lara Logan reports that most Iraqi citizens seem to disagree with the positive assessments of the troop surge.

"You only have to look at the number of Iraqis trying to flee the country every day to know they don't feel safer," Logan said on CBS' Early Show. "They don't believe any gains being made in security are enduring."

Evidence of Iraqi citizens' lack of confidence in improvements heralded by the U.S. military was also reported Monday by the British Broadcasting Corporation.

A poll of about 2,000 ordinary Iraqis by the BBC, in conjunction with ABC News and Japan's NHK, found that 70 percent believe security in the area covered by the troop surge has deteriorated in the last six months.

Sixty-percent of those polled also said attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq were justified.

In Other Developments:

U.S. and Iraqi troops backed by helicopters killed three civilians Monday in the Shiite area of Sadr City in a pre-dawn raid on the home of a suspected militia leader, police and residents said. Ground forces searched four houses but failed to find the suspect, U.S. spokesman Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl said. He identified the suspect only as "a criminal militia special group commander," a term associated with splinter factions of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army.

In the Sunni city of Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad, U.S. and Iraqi troops got into a fierce firefight with suspected al Qaeda in Iraq fighters in a morning assault. Twelve of the insurgents were killed and three U.S. soldiers were wounded, the military said in a statement. Three al Qaeda suspects were also detained, while a fourth person at the scene was identified as a hostage being held for ransom. The injured soldiers were taken to Balad Air Base for treatment and were all in stable condition, the U.S. military said.

The U.S. command announced that a U.S. soldier, whose patrol in the Kirkuk area was hit with rockets on Sunday, had died from injuries sustained in the attack. Further details were not immediately available.

Three former Saddam regime officials can be executed without presidential decrees because of the scale of their crimes, a judicial official said Monday. Defense Minister Sultan Hashim Ahmad al-Tai was convicted along with Saddam's cousin "Chemical Ali" al-Majid and Hussein Rashid Mohammed, former deputy operations director of the Iraqi armed forces, of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity for their role in the massacre of thousands of Kurds two decades ago. President Jalal Talabani said he had reservations about hanging former Iraqi army officers who were acting under threat of death from Saddam.

President Bush's war strategy is failing and the top military commander in Iraq is "dead flat wrong" for warning against major changes, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Sunday. Ahead of Monday's crucial testimony by Bush's leading military and political advisers on Iraq, Sen. Joseph Biden indicated that he and other Democrats would persist in efforts to set target dates for bringing troops home.

Amid the violence, Al-Maliki was called before parliament to give his own assessment of the security situation in Iraq. Despite intense U.S. pressure to move ahead with 18 benchmark laws - including one that will allow for the reintegration of members of Saddam Hussein's Baath party into political life and another on oil revenue sharing - none have yet been taken up by parliament for discussion.

The so-called de-Baathification draft law was finally presented by al-Maliki's Cabinet to parliament on Monday, and the legislature scheduled discussion to begin on it next week, said Wissam al-Zubaidi, an adviser to deputy parliament speaker Khaled al-Attiyah.

Though his government has been widely criticized for failing to bridge sectarian divides, al-Maliki insisted that progress had been made.

"We have achieved success in preventing Iraq from going into sectarian war and I am fully confident that national reconciliation is our only way that takes Iraq into safety," al-Maliki said.

Logan reports that the some of Iraq's military commanders are trying hard to make security advances, but say they're getting sectarian-biased orders from above.

The lack of political reconciliation cannot be blamed squarely on the present leadership, says Logan. "These problems existed before, it's impossible to just blame the al-Maliki government."

Logan says there is no real sign from any of the leaders of Iraq's warring militias that they're willing to reconcile their differences and seek peace.

In the U.S. raid on Sadr City, troops came under fire while moving into the search area and as they departed and fired back, Bleichwehl said.

Al-Sadr late last month declared a "freeze" on his Mahdi Army's activities so that the militia could regroup, but the U.S. has said breakaway factions over which al-Sadr has no control have continued to fight.

"Coalition forces returned proportional and precise fire on the enemy while being engaged..." Bleichwehl said in an e-mailed response to questions. "The unit sustained no casualties and there are no reports of civilian casualties."

But residents showed Associated Press Television News the coffins of the people they said were killed in the raid - a woman and her two daughters. Residents lifted the blanket from inside one of the simple wood coffins to show the bodies of two little girls lying next to each other.

A police officer, speaking on condition of anonymity for security reasons, confirmed the woman and two girls were killed in the firefight.

"Neither the government protects us nor does Bush defend us," lamented resident Abu Ali. "What shall we do?"

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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heh, heh......we will liberate Iraq! heh, heh.........
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Originally Posted by guage
You sir are gravely mistaken.
And know nothing of Country, Honor, Duty in OUR military.

^^^^Bush wind up doll reporting for duty!!!

SIR yes SIR!!!!!

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[quote=mcbear]Funny you should mention graves. Over 4070 Coalition troops have been killed to date. And yes rocky, over 500,000 Iraqi Civilians.[/quote]

Yes Bullwinkle, soldiers die in battles, the strange thing is, they are VOLUNTEERS and they keep VOLUNTEERING.

List your sources, the lancet has already been dismissed as an attempt
to sway the elections.
Hell Robert Less is quoted as saying "I'm against this war"
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Originally Posted by cascade
^^^^Bush wind up doll reporting for duty!!!

SIR yes SIR!!!!!
That's correct, and you have contributed how?
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Originally Posted by guage
That's correct, and you have contributed how?
I just had a massive gassive and had to flush like three times; too many floaters. My contribution howevere is that it was all organic, at least if I trust the labels.
Right now I am about to wear my sandales over my socks and go for a walk then do some yoga.
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Originally Posted by barberhauler
Clinton's what?

Lack of knowledge of proper grammar?

Apostrophe's are easy. I'm a little embarrassed for you, Guage.
Then do not respond to anything I post, problem solved.
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Why is watching Petraeus much like watching Doug Neidermeyer at the Delta hearing?


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