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First of all, nothing wrong with Citizen and Seiko. The Citizen Campanola and Grand Seiko watches are to die for. Seiko Spring Drive can be just as accurate as a quartz, although it is a mechanical.

With that said, I consider myself a WIS and have 25 watches in my collection. It ranges from a few thousands to 6-figures watches.

Nothing wrong with Rolex, and it is by far the best bang for your buck. You can wear it till kingdom comes and it still ticks. Very touch watch, and mostly likely hold its value the best. However, most Rolex wearers are non-WIS and so they really don't know much about watches, hence their nose up-in-the-air attitude. Rolex is an entry level luxury watch, no more no less. They do heck of a marketing though.

For the money you throw at Rolex, there are many other brands that are even better. It depends on your life style. The best value watch I think is Maurice Lacroixe (they are also very under stated). Make sure you only purchase their Masterpiece line of watches. They have a broad line of product, from dress to sport, to GMT, to Flyback and Regulator. I have two ML myself and would recommend anyone to own one.

If pilot watch is what you are after, you cannot beat the IWC Spitfire Chrono, or the Mark XVI. You can have them on Croc strap or bracelet. They can be dressed up or down rather nicely.

For dive watch, I personally prefer a more none traditional route. Most people will go for the Omega Planet Ocean or Seamaster, I opt for the Ulyss Nardin Maxi Diver. They are a little bit more than the Omega, but one you don't see everyday. If cost is a consideration, a Stowa ProDiver is not a bad choice. It is a German brand, and that will get you away from the Citizen and Seiko crowd.

For the Chronograph fancy, again, you cannot beat the IWC Portuguese Chrono. I have the 3714 in white gold. Get compliment everywhere I go. The best is no one even recognize it is WG. They think it is stainless steel. No worry about having my arm being chopped off.

If you have a little more money to spend, don't over look other brands like Chronoswiss, Glashutte Original, and Blancpain. For lesser money but prefer something different, you can check out Ball Engineering, Nomos, Limes, and MeisterSinger.

For big bucks, you can never go wrong with the Lange, especially the Langematic or Lange 1. Or the AP Royal Oak. But I think you are not talking about spending a 6-figure.

Watches are notorious bad investment. I would recommend you buying a "slightly" used one and save more than 60% off MSRP. Check out the Sales Corner at Home Page - TimeZone. You will forget about Breitling in a hurry. As a matter of fact, that's one watch you will never find in my collection. So is Heuer.

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Good points. I am not a WIS (to Elau's point!) but I do have quite a few watch pages bookmarked. I wore Seikos most of my life and while they kept excellent time, their cases always corroded after a year or so and I would be forced to switch the watch from my left wrist to my right to allow the cuts to heal. I looked like I should have been on a suicide watch (npi). When the Rolex bug bit, I fell hard and do not regret it. Much the same with the Mercedes bug, I suppose.

BTW Elau: How many of the following will you check YES to?

WISease - a chronic disorder which strikes all who love watches. If you are not sure you have this, check the following to see if you can relate. If you can answer yes to at least two questions, you need to seek help!

  • Do you have multiple windows open that are watch related?
  • Do you have accounts at auction sniper websites?
  • Are you tracking more than one incoming package at the same time?
  • Have you opened a secret bank account?
  • Have you gotten a post office box no one knows about?
  • Has your family seen nothing but the back of your head in the last three weeks?
  • Have you Made a fool of yourself straining to see another person's watch?
  • Have you had to quickly close a watch-related website window (at work, etc) because "eyes" were walking by you?
  • Have you ever made a statement such as "Naw, I've had this watch for a long time"?
  • Do you spend time typing silly stuff such as this?
Although there is no known cure, there is Rx which keeps this enjoyable disorder in check.

Some treatments include straps, bracelets, horo tools, modifications, cameras, and trades to mention a few.

Ultimately, there is almost always a relapse. This is chiefly the fault of watch manufacturers and forums. Say you are doing fine, haven't bought a watch in six months, then someone posts a "Wow! Have you seen this new model?"

99.9% of people on this planet do NOT understand ... but to a WIS, it's pure love!!

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First of all, nothing wrong with Citizen and Seiko. The Citizen Campanola and Grand Seiko watches are to die for. Seiko Spring Drive can be just as accurate as a quartz, although it is a mechanical.

With that said, I consider myself a WIS and have 25 watches in my collection. It ranges from a few thousands to 6-figures watches.

Nothing wrong with Rolex, and it is by far the best bang for your buck. You can wear it till kingdom comes and it still ticks. Very touch watch, and mostly likely hold its value the best. However, most Rolex wearers are non-WIS and so they really don't know much about watches, hence their nose up-in-the-air attitude. Rolex is an entry level luxury watch, no more no less. They do heck of a marketing though.

For the money you throw at Rolex, there are many other brands that are even better. It depends on your life style. The best value watch I think is Maurice Lacroixe (they are also very under stated). Make sure you only purchase their Masterpiece line of watches. They have a broad line of product, from dress to sport, to GMT, to Flyback and Regulator. I have two ML myself and would recommend anyone to own one.

If pilot watch is what you are after, you cannot beat the IWC Spitfire Chrono, or the Mark XVI. You can have them on Croc strap or bracelet. They can be dressed up or down rather nicely.

For dive watch, I personally prefer a more none traditional route. Most people will go for the Omega Planet Ocean or Seamaster, I opt for the Ulyss Nardin Maxi Diver. They are a little bit more than the Omega, but one you don't see everyday. If cost is a consideration, a Stowa ProDiver is not a bad choice. It is a German brand, and that will get you away from the Citizen and Seiko crowd.

For the Chronograph fancy, again, you cannot beat the IWC Portuguese Chrono. I have the 3714 in white gold. Get compliment everywhere I go. The best is no one even recognize it is WG. They think it is stainless steel. No worry about having my arm being chopped off.

If you have a little more money to spend, don't over look other brands like Chronoswiss, Glashutte Original, and Blancpain. For lesser money but prefer something different, you can check out Ball Engineering, Nomos, Limes, and MeisterSinger.

For big bucks, you can never go wrong with the Lange, especially the Langematic or Lange 1. Or the AP Royal Oak. But I think you are not talking about spending a 6-figure.

Watches are notorious bad investment. I would recommend you buying a "slightly" used one and save more than 60% off MSRP. Check out the Sales Corner at Home Page - TimeZone. You will forget about Breitling in a hurry. As a matter of fact, that's one watch you will never find in my collection. So is Heuer.
Interesting to read your views Elau , I have the Breitling superocean as my dive watch it's not worn at any other time , the yellow face is just superb in poor visibility, and their wet suit friendly straps are a treat , it's not a wrist watch as such but a life insuring tool when diving other wise I would not go near the brand as tacky would sum them up nicely but they make do imo make a great dive watch ! . Nice to see someone else who rates IWC , my daily btw .
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BTW Elau: How many of the following will you check YES to?
I will do my best to identify them for you.

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Do you have multiple windows open that are watch related?
No. All I need is TZ. The one and most reliable one.

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Do you have accounts at auction sniper websites?
No. I never try auction websites. They tend to be over priced.

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Are you tracking more than one incoming package at the same time?
No. I usually allow myself to purchase one good watch at a time. I used to buy anything that caught my attention, however, as the WIS disease gets deeper into my blood, I became more selective.

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Have you opened a secret bank account?
No. Not yet since I am a single guy. No need to hide it from anybody.

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Have you gotten a post office box no one knows about?
No. But I think most delivery guys, including the mailman know me pretty well.

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Has your family seen nothing but the back of your head in the last three weeks?
No. I live alone.

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Have you Made a fool of yourself straining to see another person's watch?
No. Only if it is an interesting piece that you don't see everyday, such as Lange or Patek.

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Have you had to quickly close a watch-related website window (at work, etc) because "eyes" were walking by you?
No. I work at home.

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Have you ever made a statement such as "Naw, I've had this watch for a long time"?
No. Close but no cigar. I tend not to discuss my watch with other people as they will never understand why I would pay $14K for a 18K rose gold Chronoswiss Lunar Chrono. I usually change subject when someone asks about my watch.

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Some treatments include straps, bracelets, horo tools, modifications, cameras, and trades to mention a few.
The only treatment I have tried so far is straps. That tends to calm my illness the best.

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Ultimately, there is almost always a relapse. This is chiefly the fault of watch manufacturers and forums. Say you are doing fine, haven't bought a watch in six months, then someone posts a "Wow! Have you seen this new model?"
Never lasted 6 months before a new model. The longest was 2 months.

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99.9% of people on this planet do NOT understand ... but to a WIS, it's pure love!!
Right on, brother!! And a disease I wish not upon my worse enemy.

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I have a couple of Tag Heuer watches, one of them a 1500 series that I got as an engagement gift, as well as a 2500 series chronograph, which I wear most of the time. I don't think that people really notice them because I wear them with the watch face on the underside of my wrist so people only see the watchband. That's fine with me, I didn't buy them for other people to see them and be impressed.

I'm sure one day I'll buy a Rolex or a Cartier because I appreciate the timeless styling (of the non-blinged ones) and workmanship, but not any time soon. My Tags are plenty nice and do the job just fine.
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I'm thinking to buy one of those 'ultra luminous' deals, with the radio-active dials and hands in the next couple of months, just for a change, but I haven't decided which yet. Anyone else got one?
Check out Ball Engineering watches. They are the only company uses nuclear material that is approved by the USNCR. The luminouscent is simply unbelievable. I was recently at a WIS GTG and Ball Engineering was there displaying their wares. I got the first hand look at their dials. Simply amazing.

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Want an expensive watch that people will notice?

Franck Muller | The Masterpieces
Frankly, 99.99% of the population don't know a FM watch, let alone heard of it. I personally don't think much of FM designs.

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I'm sure one day I'll buy a Rolex or a Cartier because I appreciate the timeless styling (of the non-blinged ones) and workmanship, but not any time soon. My Tags are plenty nice and do the job just fine.
Definitely not Cartier. It is considered fashion watch, much like Bvlgari. Your best bet would be Rolex if timeliness design you are after. Look at how many Rolex copy cat out there.

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Hey, folks, thank you so much for all the responses thus far -- and feel free to keep them coming. Have to admit I'd not heard of Franck Muller and when I saw that he had a style named "Master Banker" my mind headed to gutter; if he'd had the "-bater" I might have looked twice. However, in my life I've owned one watch that wasn't round-faced and I have to say I'm more of a round-faced (watch) guy.

I have looked at T-H but in truth the only face designs of theirs I liked were in a big thick case, which I really don't want. That may exclude the Breitling from contention as well, I just realized one that was kind of on my short list is 13mm thick, I don't need a watch that is 1/2" thick, that's crazy.

DR, thanks for mentioning Omega, I'd totally forgotten about them. They definitely have some nice designs.

Special thanks to Elau for an excellent primer and to nosferatu and others for suggesting used (and the one link in particular). I'd kind of been shying away from that since there supposedly are so many good replicas out there and I'd hate to end up buying a used replica(!), but buying from a recommended source kind of eases that concern.

Again, I'm not really looking for anything particularly showy or flashy, this will be a "daily driver", not a garage queen. It won't be on the wrist when I'm working on the car, washing the car, sleeping, showering, motorcycling or swimming, but beyond that ...

I've looked at Fossil in the past -- but their battery life simply sucked (one model I was looking at required two batteries and the salesman was honest enough to let me know they needed to be replaced "about every 3 months" -- in a year you've bought the watch again). So, Ron, I can understand why you just throw the things away. My primary watch is a Seiko chrono, stainless case and bracelet, I've had it almost 7 years, no corrosion and only replaced the battery twice, keeps excellent time but has gotten a little scuffed up over time.

One last thing, I'm going to Ireland in the spring, if I'm buying a euro watch, can I expect to save a lot if I buy there? I know I'm usually sickened by how cheap MBs are there (comparitively speaking) so I'm just curious.

So if there's more to add, more suggestions, keep them coming. If I decide to upgrade I'll post a before 'n after pic.

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Check out Ball Engineering watches. They are the only company uses nuclear material that is approved by the USNCR. The luminouscent is simply unbelievable. I was recently at a WIS GTG and Ball Engineering was there displaying their wares. I got the first hand look at their dials. Simply amazing.
Cheers elau, I will certainly check them out. I did a bit of research a couple of years ago, but then I got side-tracked and didn't follow-up (and didn't save my notes). I would ideally like one by which I can read a book!

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I think I looked at the Luminox range before. This one I quite like, since I don't have a black watch. It's £620 ($1250) though. I wonder if it would be cheaper in the USA? Do you know if there are dealers?

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