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Reverse study the problem, get other opinions, try to evalute the many possible outcomes, release safety on the gun.
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Since I like this as a real topic and would like to know what others use, I'm game.

Since I was brought up in a Southern Baptist environment I have that pretty much hardwired in the back of my head. I am still recovering from that.

I am also an Eagle Scout so there is always the basic tenants of the Scouts. "On my honor I will do my best..." and "Be Prepared"

About 10 years ago I made a list of things, based on a question much like this. I have a copy in my wallet and a copy on the wall in my office. I have posted it here before.

Kindergarten: Color between the lines but use any color you want.
Father [union rep for Butcher's Worksman Union]: There is Legal and there is Right. Always do what is RIGHT.
Scoutmaster: Always keep a good knife.
SWAMP : Change your socks at every chance. Only shoot at a known target.
Bob Bondurant: Look where you are going, not where you are.
Firearms Instructor: Do not pull a gun unless you intend to fire, do not fire unless you intend to kill.
Lou Gerstner [ Former CEO of IBM during the first meeting at my first contract with IBM] Advise the client as if their entire business was taking care of your parents.
Scouts: On my HONOR, I will do my best...
BE PREPARED!

I use those guidelines daily. I use them in presentations and in mentoring. I have also developed one that really comes from those and my years of doing things just slightly different than most. It is the one that I pass on most as I think it matters.

Society is only as good as it treats those among us that have the least.

That is what guides me.

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You've gotten farther than most in life have. I won't pick anyone's list apart, because having one is pretty damned respectable.

I'm sure there are however some interesting corollaries to a couple of those lines. For example, the "Father" and Dr. Phil may sometimes be at odds. The latter posits "It's better to be happy than to be right." Although that usually applies to arguments with spouses more than one's actions, sometimes doing nothing is preferable to doing something legal, illegal, right or wrong. What does that say?
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Do some of these fun moves and you will feel better and will think better about what to do. Eugene is da man
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If all else fails I'll not reach for some self-righteous bullshit , that was the 'else' that failed in the first place , no man I go with the back-up technique and I've got a backup to that and that , and if those fail get out the silly stick and start hitting a chicken with it . This is OT shouldn't you be driving that serious car on the other side of town
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I like the McBear list on a whole lot of fronts...though in specific answer to the question, usually the Bible and the opinions of those I respect and trust.

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. (Winston Churchill)
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^ Somebody once told Bob Woodward the very same thing.

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You've gotten farther than most in life have. I won't pick anyone's list apart, because having one is pretty damned respectable.

I'm sure there are however some interesting corollaries to a couple of those lines. For example, the "Father" and Dr. Phil may sometimes be at odds. The latter posits "It's better to be happy than to be right." Although that usually applies to arguments with spouses more than one's actions, sometimes doing nothing is preferable to doing something legal, illegal, right or wrong. What does that say?
I cringe to see my dad and Dr. Phil in the same sentence. He thought Dr. Phil was a charlatan. I understand however that pop psychology has its good points.

On domestic discussions if you have a relationship where you have to be dishonest in order to be happy, you get what deserve. Both partners should be able to accept that one can be right [the wife] and both can be happy.

As for doing NOTHING rather than something legal, illegal, right or wrong...that really is a broad statement. Hard to answer, or form a path for that one.

On my list there is one that usually needs explanation that might answer your last question.
Firearms Instructor: Do not pull a gun unless you intend to fire, do not fire unless you intend to kill.

While this obviously means that before you get to the point of having to pull a firearm you have exhausted EVERY other path available to you to resolve the conflict and fully accepted that a violent conclusion is the ONLY solution. When I taught Concealed Carry classes I used this as the primary object lesson. Its intent was that you just don't whip out a gun at first sign of trouble. Force is intended as the action of LAST resort.

Now, to answer YOUR question, or to look at National Foreign Policy, these same rules apply. Sometimes the option of doing nothing is the best path to a solution when all other options are wrong or illegal or hurtful.

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Being smart is knowing the difference, in a sticky situation between a well delivered anecdote and a well delivered antidote - bear.
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