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We are not killing the civvies, the terrorists are. LOOK, look what the Americans have done, they have done this.
And with sheep like what's on this board, they (terrorists) are also winning the PR campaign.

Why is it "they" hide among and live with those they kill?
At this moment in time more civilians are being killed by insurgent activities, civil war and a completely degraded infrastructure. However, in the first year or so of this war [before insurgent action was at its current levels] , we were the primary instrument in the deaths of Iraqi civilians.

Unfortunately, because we are still in the environs, WE are still flairing the anger as we are blamed for the exponential violence caused by the vacuum that was left unfilled when we pulled Saddam out of power without having a Post War Plan.

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With Japan or Germany we were fighting COUNTRIES, with established Militaries. Once we defeated the Military elements and their leaders understood that their countries would be invaded and occupied, they surrendered [or killed themselves].

The War Against Terrorists has not national boundaries, no established military structure, no strategic Officer Corp to make win/lose decisions. This war is based on ideology by a fundamentalist faction of a religion. It can be [and is] world wide in nature and is based on CELL Structure, not top down Military Structure.

What this means is we can kill 50 "Number 2 man in al Qeada" [which is good] but that does nothing to stop, or slow down CELL decisions. The problem is that with each "Number 2" killed, we have killed innocent civilians, either from Shock and Awe or bombing blocks to find #2, Abu Grab, or burning families after a gang rape. The zealots see ALL of those events [even the illegal ones] as attacks against Islam.

It is why you cannot fight Fundamentalist ideology with an Army. The War Against Terrorists has to be fought with International Police and Intelligence Agencies. Anything else and you continue to feed the very fervor that you are trying to stop.
I think our successes in Iraq belie most of what you say...

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I think our successes in Iraq support most of what you say...
Fixed it for ya.

Nowhere has there been ANY established link that IRAQ has slowed down ANY worldwide terrorist activity. In fact, our National Security Report from last month supports the theory that global terrorist cells are at their highest levels since prior to 9/11.

All we are doing in Iraq is fighting the weeds that are growing in Iraq, some Iraqi and some come in from different parts of the world. But the war in Iraq is NOT fighting the GLOBAL war against Terrorists.

Don't confuse those two things.

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I wish you'd quit "fixing" my posts...

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With Japan or Germany we were fighting COUNTRIES, with established Militaries. Once we defeated the Military elements and their leaders understood that their countries would be invaded and occupied, they surrendered [or killed themselves].

The War Against Terrorists has not national boundaries, no established military structure, no strategic Officer Corp to make win/lose decisions. This war is based on ideology by a fundamentalist faction of a religion. It can be [and is] world wide in nature and is based on CELL Structure, not top down Military Structure.

What this means is we can kill 50 "Number 2 man in al Qeada" [which is good] but that does nothing to stop, or slow down CELL decisions. The problem is that with each "Number 2" killed, we have killed innocent civilians, either from Shock and Awe or bombing blocks to find #2, Abu Grab, or burning families after a gang rape. The zealots see ALL of those events [even the illegal ones] as attacks against Islam.

It is why you cannot fight Fundamentalist ideology with an Army. The War Against Terrorists has to be fought with International Police and Intelligence Agencies. Anything else and you continue to feed the very fervor that you are trying to stop.
Precisely so. (Though you are wasting your time trying to convince the Bush wind up dolls around here)

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I think our successes in Iraq belie most of what you say...
Tell us why the cost in blood and treasure was worth it.

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Tell us why the cost in blood and treasure was worth it.
We have not had another terrorist attack in the US since 9/11--and that is because we have them on the run in other parts of the world and we have developed effective deterrents here. And you are still alive, unfortunately. How's that for a reason, asshole?

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We have not had another terrorist attack[/B] in the US since 9/11--and that is because we have them on the run in other parts of the world and we have developed effective deterrents here. And you are still alive, unfortunately. How's that for a reason, asshole?
Sweet jesus in a Men's Warehouse suit, that's a lame "reason" to trot out.

Guess what, we haven't had wild tigers in my neighborhood in California, since 9/11, either.

Old Presdient George Bush has them on the run in other parts of the world, too....

That was an unbelievably stupid response, and it is EXACTLY what Bush is trying to peddle.

Guess what? It is as stupid as your responses are.

Has it ever
occurred to you that the best solution might be to assassinate the real terrorists and Bad religious Mullahs who teach them hate, than to send in a boots on the ground army to fight a bunch of loosley organized, out of uniform dirtbags who simply won't adhere to the Geneva convention?


Why are you so upset that I am still alive, you bleating Bush wind up doll, you?

Wouldn't you like your beloved hero to simply suspend the constitution in the name of martial law and "national security"?

It would make you feel safe...............wouldn't it?

The Germans felt "safe" in their country under Hitler by 1938...right?


You are just unbelievable.


For the longest time, I thought you were having us on, that this was just some really advanced kind of satire, to show that you were too clever by half.

I'll even give due credit that from time to time you actually do try and propound advice to other Mercedes owners, here and elsewhere on the boards, even if it is stupid and wrong half the time, such as your assertion that all service records are to be found in the VMI.

But evidently I was wrong.



.....you are really deficient. To say the least. Personal insults are all you have left.


Like some pets assume the qualities of their owners, usually the worst ones, you are showing yourself more and more to have the mental acumen of your idol, George W Bush.



It is to laugh ....

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