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post #61 of 76 (permalink) Old 08-26-2007, 07:39 AM
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What is with all the fear of illegals now anyway? Are people so naive to not see the benefits defeat the detriments? With the cost of living skyrocketing, do you really want to pay some Anglo dead beat $30.00 a hour plus benefits to do labor intensive work? I agree in limiting immigration but North America is founded on cheap labor, don't kid yourself otherwise
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There are different citizenship models in different countries. The advantage of birth citizenship is that it prevents the creation of an disadvantaged underclass. We sit here discussing "what the mother should do" while we ignore the human condition - there are millions of us, and within those millions there are many possible outcomes - the mother might die at birth, the mother might flee the hospital, the mother might escape detection by the INS for years, on and on.

My point is that we have to practice compassion towards these people. I would recommend to those who call these women "bitches" etc that they take some time to travel through Mexico. I would recommend that they start at the garbage dumps of Mexico City, where it is estimated one million people live, literally, in the garbage. We wave jobs in the face of people who are living that kind of desperation, and now it has become fashionable on the right to describe and advocate treating these people the way Hitler treated the Jews.

Perhaps if they got a look at children swimming in shit infested sewage, they would realize what drives this people here - desperation on a level never experienced by fat assed white men whiling their time away on a Mercedes forum. I simply do not fault these people for what they do - if I woke up every morning to my hungry children as I left for my 4$ a day job, I would do the same thing. There are only two compassionate solutions: end what is bringing these miserable people here, which is the easy availability of jobs due to the fact the United States stopped being a democracy a long time ago and has instead become a corporate state that wishes to exploit these people, or annex Mexico so that these people may become responsible citizens who pay taxes and live under a more just system. To turn them into national whipping boys, such as the AM radio fascists are now doing, where we enjoy reading of their imprisonments, deportations and beatings, is just more evidence that we are becoming a fascist state.

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Word! Your 'bitch-calling' compatriots need to overcome their fear and travel more.
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We wave jobs in the face of people who are living that kind of desperation, and now it has become fashionable on the right to describe and advocate treating these people the way Hitler treated the Jews.
We also wave birthright citizenship at them toward the same end, and with the same result. You want to eliminate one strong enticement, while keeping the other intact. That makes no sense to me.

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I would recommend to those who call these women "bitches" etc that they take some time to travel through Mexico.
I have. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for them and I've seen the conditions they live in. Hell, I lived in near the same conditions whenever I went to Vietnam (before we had the house rebuilt recently). But it's a HUGE slap in the face for those that came here legally.
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Many of these kids might as well have 'Green Card' stamped on their fore heads.
Children born by illegals in other Countries are not automatically eligible for Citizenship.

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It's a good law. Without it we would create a class of stateless slaves disadvantaged from birth, subject to bewildering deportation to some land they never lived in. An individual has absolutely no control on where they are born, and no one should be subject to legal penalty for something over which they themselves have no control. It is the heart of racism.
By this logic we should allow everyone from China, India and Africa also immigrate to illegally to the USA without fear of consequences; why not EVERYONE, no matter how many they are?

I disagree on this with you. They are "fruit of the poison tree". Known also as "anchor babies".

Rich pregnant Saudi women have been know to fly to this country simply to give birth on this soil to take advantage of this legal quirk.

How many other countries allow this?

It is wrong. Period.

Having been personally through the entire process to successfully sponsor someone LEGALLY to enter from Peru, I am outraged that people could sneak across the border, enjoy employment, and give birth to a CITIZEN just because they were on American soil ILEGALLY.

The law should be changed to eliminate this.

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By this logic we should allow everyone from China, India and Africa also immigrate to illegally to the USA without fear of consequences; why not EVERYONE, no matter how many they are?

I disagree on this with you. They are "fruit of the poison tree". Known also as "anchor babies".

Rich pregnant Saudi women have been know to fly to this country simply to give birth on this soil to take advantage of this legal quirk.

How many other countries allow this?

It is wrong. Period.

Having been personally through the entire process to successfully sponsor someone LEGALLY to enter from Peru, I am outraged that people could sneak across the border, enjoy employment, and give birth to a CITIZEN just because they were on American soil ILEGALLY.

The law should be changed to eliminate this.

heh, heh......thanks for the tip, Jughead! heh, heh......time for another fax to Punjab! heh, heh.........America here we come! Bhalle! Bhalle!
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heh, heh......thanks for the tip, Jughead! heh, heh......time for another fax to Punjab! heh, heh.........America here we come! Bhalle! Bhalle!
Maybe you should immigrate back to Punjab, both countries would benefit, heh, heh

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The Hispanic waiter at tonight's restaurant was really cute, hence my firm reticence against the crack down on illegal immigration.
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